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Old 08-26-2005, 08:07 PM   #1 (Print)
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Stargate SG-1 8/26/05 (S09E07) "Ex Deus Machina

I'm not usually a fan of "on Earth" episodes, but this one was pretty good.

I really liked the firefight in the cubical farm.

I think beaming the building away is going to be a problem. Even though I was anticipating that that would be how they had to solve the problem. It might have worked better if they had left the outer facia to collapse and just beamed the interior away. At least that way you could see the building collapse.

Bael seems to be thinking ahead much better than that average Gou'ld, and having taps into the SGC's comms may make for an interesting game of cat and mouse.

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Old 08-26-2005, 10:47 PM   #2 (Print)
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I really disliked looking at SG-1 "Attack of the Baal Clones".

Help clarify something for me. Was this Earth technology that he made his clones with? How'd he clone the symbiote and all his memories? Last time we came across this they cloned the Asgard guy but he had no memories or anything - it was just a living body.

Don't you think the Gou'ould would have tried this a long time ago if not only to save their butts but to actually live indefinitely? Maybe they got the genetic replication tech from the crashed Asgard ship. Who knows.. Any ideas?

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Old 08-26-2005, 10:51 PM   #3 (Print)
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Yeah, I had the same thoughts about the clone business. I could see cloning the human host as some kind of decoy, but multiple Baals with symbiot intact makes no sense. He also would not need to bother with all this threat business if he had clones. He could just go safely underground after one clone was killed

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Old 08-26-2005, 11:09 PM   #4 (Print)
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Was this Earth technology that he made his clones with? How'd he clone the symbiote and all his memories? Last time we came across this they cloned the Asgard guy but he had no memories or anything - it was just a living body.

Don't you think the Gou'ould would have tried this a long time ago if not only to save their butts but to actually live indefinitely? Maybe they got the genetic replication tech from the crashed Asgard ship. Who knows.. Any ideas?

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Hmm, don't the gould have some sort of ancestral memory, so that their children have all of the knowledge that the parents posessed. The same might apply to clones of the symbiotes.

Maybe they're easier to clone since they're just parasites.

Maybe Baal knew how to make cloning work.

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Old 08-26-2005, 11:14 PM   #5 (Print)
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There was that episode years ago when they cloned a young girl and while she had no symbiote in her, she had all the memories of the gould who had possessed her original body. what I don't undertand is how the clones decide who's in charge - seems like a gould would be too power hungry to share even with clones of himself. And which one gets to play with the hot blonde?
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Old 08-26-2005, 11:17 PM   #6 (Print)
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is it just me or did Sam look a bit...hmm... pregnant?

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Old 08-26-2005, 11:25 PM   #7 (Print)
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what I don't undertand is how the clones decide who's in charge - seems like a gould would be too power hungry to share even with clones of himself.



I was thinking this too. You KNOW one of them is going to kill another or even rat them out to the SGC for immunity or some crap.

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Old 08-26-2005, 11:29 PM   #8 (Print)
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is it just me or did Sam look a bit...hmm... pregnant?



That just mommy fat. Guess they didn't giver her enough time to work off the extra pounds. It's funny when you see the supermodel moms with the perfect body and that little preggo belly and then after they give birth they are perfectly back to normal. I guess Amanda tapping is a real mommy and not a supermodel phoney mom.

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Old 08-27-2005, 05:01 AM   #9 (Print)
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Ok, during the last scene. A Lounge, one sexy woman, and a room full of Baal's. Did anyone else get a freaky 70's porn vibe?

Just me? Thought so...

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Old 08-27-2005, 05:02 AM   #10 (Print)
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I just assumed that the other Baals had other symbiotes in them--it never occured to me that the symbiotes were cloned as well...

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Old 08-27-2005, 05:54 AM   #11 (Print)
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Daniel Jackson and the Agent were staring at Baal getting into a limo outside of the hotel, yet he was on the air "live" giving a speech. Shouldn't that have been an early clue that something weird was going on? I would have expected more of a reaction from Daniel like "Ummm...guys, how can we be looking at him if it's a live transmission?" or something like that as opposed to just "Are you sure?" and then letting the whole topic drop.

Maybe I missed something...
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Old 08-27-2005, 06:51 AM   #12 (Print)
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Daniel Jackson and the Agent were staring at Baal getting into a limo outside of the hotel, yet he was on the air "live" giving a speech. Shouldn't that have been an early clue that something weird was going on? I would have expected more of a reaction from Daniel like "Ummm...guys, how can we be looking at him if it's a live transmission?" or something like that as opposed to just "Are you sure?" and then letting the whole topic drop.

Maybe I missed something...

I thought that's pretty much what they did--they saw Baal at the hotel, they saw Baal on TV, so they called off the hit until they could figure out what was going on.

They probably figured that the hotel Baal was just a normal decoy (like Saddam Hussein used).

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Old 08-27-2005, 06:57 PM   #14 (Print)
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I think Sam is hitting it off with Jack, the guy asked if she was single and she said "not exactly" either she is seeing someone, or just really hates him.

As for the ep, it was ok, but now there is an another annoying enemy, I really want to just continue with the ori (spelling?)
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:28 PM   #15 (Print)
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Anybody else get a kick out of seeing Baal in cargo shorts at the end? For some reason I found that terribly amusing....

And was that the first time we ever heard his non-god voice? I was not expecting an Aussie accent.
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Old 08-27-2005, 08:34 PM   #16 (Print)
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Anybody else get a kick out of seeing Baal in cargo shorts at the end? For some reason I found that terribly amusing....



I also found this very amusing.

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Old 08-27-2005, 10:12 PM   #17 (Print)
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I just assumed that the other Baals had other symbiotes in them--it never occured to me that the symbiotes were cloned as well...


but then the clone with a different symbiot would not be Baal...the guy that was killed clearly thought of himself as Baal...

Sam seemed her normal weight when she was in the building...so maybe that scene was done after she shed the extra weight...

I, too, think Baal is setting himself up with a major war between himselves

that girl was super hot!

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Old 08-27-2005, 10:26 PM   #18 (Print)
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but then the clone with a different symbiot would not be Baal...the guy that was killed clearly thought of himself as Baal...

Either that, or he kept pretending right up to the end.

It could go either way.

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Put me in the camp that believes that only the original has a symbiote.

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Old 08-28-2005, 08:23 AM   #20 (Print)
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By the way, the writers thought they were being clever with the title--but they didn't realize to switch subject and object in Latin, you don't change the order of the words, you change the words themselves. "Ex Deus Machina" means exactly the same thing as "Deus Ex Machina," only klutzier. What they were probably going for was "Machina Ex Deo" (and "Machina" would be pronounced differently than the "Machina" in "Deus Ex Machina").

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By the way, the writers thought they were being clever with the title--but they didn't realize to switch subject and object in Latin, you don't change the order of the words, you change the words themselves. "Ex Deus Machina" means exactly the same thing as "Deus Ex Machina," only klutzier. What they were probably going for was "Machina Ex Deo" (and "Machina" would be pronounced differently than the "Machina" in "Deus Ex Machina").


I read that as being an English play on Latin words, with "Ex" being the English usage of "Ex", as in "Ex-God-Machine".
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Old 08-28-2005, 11:14 PM   #22 (Print)
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Anybody else get a kick out of seeing Baal in cargo shorts at the end? For some reason I found that terribly amusing....

And was that the first time we ever heard his non-god voice? I was not expecting an Aussie accent.


I thought the voice was the best part. I just checked IMDB and it turns out he's South African. I've often confused that accent with Aussie myself...
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:02 AM   #23 (Print)
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what irked me the most about this episode was how easily it was for a jaffa strike force to get into Earth. Yeah they were cloaked but uhh that's not new technology is it? Why didn't Anubys, Sokar, hell Apophis send a team with a naqida bomb to earth to take it out? Too subtle? Not up to the death from above Gaoul'd theatrics?

I mean ****, how did Baa'l get to earth? Obviously not through the gate, so a starship which was cloaked. The defense contractor probably helped but uhh still?

This episode annoyed me
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I'm surprised that no one else has posted about the magnitude of the beam-out that saved the day. Talk about deus ex machina..... didn't that seem like a massive thing to be beaming up? Perhaps I've had my expectations set low by aging Klingon ships having issues with two humpback whales ("it's not just the whales....it's the water!"), but the building seemed like a stretch.

Oddly enough, the idea of Baals a-plenty from cloning technology didn't give me heartburn, though. I'll be interested to learn more about exactly where Baal's original symbiote is. Or was.

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Sorry if this has been mentioned before.

I noticed that when the Baal was killed by the Jaffa, his eye's did not glow as he was dying. It seems to me in the past when a Gua'uld was killed the eye's would glow, at least for a moment.

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I thought the voice was the best part. I just checked IMDB and it turns out he's South African. I've often confused that accent with Aussie myself...

I was having horrible thoughts of the host of ABC's "My Kind of Town" with that accent.

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Old 09-08-2005, 10:47 PM   #28 (Print)
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Ok, during the last scene. A Lounge, one sexy woman, and a room full of Baal's. Did anyone else get a freaky 70's porn vibe?

Just me? Thought so...

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Nope... not the only one. My thought was... lucky girl.

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Ok, during the last scene. A Lounge, one sexy woman, and a room full of Baal's. Did anyone else get a freaky 70's porn vibe?

Just me? Thought so...

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seems like the me decade of Disco would suit the Gould mind set pretty well. No idea why the cargo shorts though.


and as for the building - since it was the bomb - they had to take the whole thing to be sure. But come on - what reporter is going to beleive a normal gas line explosion would somehow vaporize the whole building into nothingness? That will have to come back and haunt them later. A good episode on a nosy reporter getting in the way of dealing with Baal with some good twist at the end
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Old 09-09-2005, 08:01 AM   #30 (Print)
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It seems to me that the whole "keep the Stargate program secret" bit long ago passed from plot point to habit. It's been years since it really made sense, and now they keep it secret because, well, there must be a reason, they've always kept it secret.

I think they've missed a golden opportunity to ramp the show up another notch (and save on the budget a bit) by not doing the "Stargate goes public" storyline. It would certainly expand the dramatic possibilities, as well as having some interesting Earth-based episodes. And it's just common sense; we've seen how terrible the government is at keeping secrets, and when you've aliens basically operating in the open on Earth (I count fighting a giant battle in orbit as operating in the open), there's just no way they could have kept all this under their hat, considering how very many people have known about it for decades.

But then again, I'm afraid Stargate pretty much stopped trying a few years ago, and has just been on auto-pilot. Not even the added energy of Browder and Black has been able to shake the writers from their complacency; I've been amazed (and somewhat depressed) at the lazy writing over the past couple of seasons. It's still entertaining enough, in a "let's watch the old gang do their old tricks" sort of way. But it's sad that the writers can't get past "let's watch the old gang do their old tricks" and really try to accomplish something.

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