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Old 11-21-2005, 12:01 PM   #1 (Print)
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Best Hard Drives for Tivo

I've read through multiple threads, but I've only seen a few quantitative answers to hard drive selection so I thought I'd start a new thread.

What is/are the best hard drive brand(s) and model(s) for a Tivo S2? Best defined as:

1 - longevity/reliability
2 - heat
3 - noise
4 - price point (less important, but good conversation)

Some people have posted about disliking WD, Maxtor, etc. but I'm looking for why (noisey, broke down, bad service, too expensive, too cheap) and which model was used.

Thanks for the help.

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Old 11-21-2005, 01:51 PM   #2 (Print)
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I would add a "#4 Heat"
which brand seems to run the coolest ?

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Old 11-21-2005, 01:54 PM   #3 (Print)
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I've had the same Maxtor 160 gig drive in my main tivo for 2 plus years now.
No issues whatsoever.

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Old 11-21-2005, 02:04 PM   #4 (Print)
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Years ago we looked for 5400 rpm drives. Less expensive, cooler and tivo doesn't seem to benefit that much with faster drives and even with larger cache.

The 7200 drives are now cheaper than the 5400 rpm drives and are cool enough to use.

There doesn't seem to be a big difference between brands. Just look for a longer warranty and buy based on price. Each drive mfg goes through a time period in which people post getting "lemons" but there really isn't any pattern.

I've had better luck with Seagate than with Maxtor and WD but I think it's random.
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Old 11-21-2005, 04:57 PM   #5 (Print)
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I was a little suprised that, out of the box, the 160 gb maxtor quickview was default set for performance rather than silence, and more than a little ticked at the noise it made initially. After changing the acoustic setting with the Hitachi feature tool, however, the new drive runs as quietly as the original.

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Old 11-21-2005, 09:40 PM   #6 (Print)
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Old 11-21-2005, 09:45 PM   #7 (Print)
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:11 PM   #8 (Print)
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I would add a "#4 Heat"
which brand seems to run the coolest ?


Good point. Don't want to cook your Tivo.
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:12 PM   #9 (Print)
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never buy MAXTOR, never!


You see, these are the posts that don't help anyone. I want to know why you don't like Maxtor. Did you go through a few bad ones? Was it DOA? Was it harder to set up? Did it fail after 3 months? Did you have a bad experience with someone named Max?

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Old 11-21-2005, 11:34 PM   #10 (Print)
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I like Seagates. They tend to run very quiet at default settings, are very reliable, and have generous warranties (5 years on the new models). They have a great return policy... which makes you wonder why I'm saying they're reliable drives! They probably do run the hottest among the WD, Maxtor, Seagate set, though. But I think they're the quietest and most reliable.

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:09 AM   #11 (Print)
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Seagate 200GB for $30 AR

Comp USA Turkey Day midnight sale has a Seagate 200GB for $30 AR.

It makes me drool just to think about it, let alone the pumpkin pie, turkey, stuffing, yams, cranberries . . . .
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:28 AM   #12 (Print)
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The cheapest biggest one.

So wrong.

Samsungs are my preference. Used dozens, only had one die. newegg.com has a great price and great service. They cap out at 200G, but my preference is more TiVos (SA) rather than more than one drive inside.

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:38 AM   #13 (Print)
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Comp USA Turkey Day midnight sale has a Seagate 200GB for $30 AR.

It makes me drool just to think about it, let alone the pumpkin pie, turkey, stuffing, yams, cranberries . . . .

Do you have a link for this sale?
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Old 11-22-2005, 06:05 AM   #14 (Print)
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Anyone had problems with Seagate? I have had both Maxtors and WD's die prematurely. I have moved on to Seagate due to their 5 year warranty.

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Old 11-22-2005, 09:23 AM   #15 (Print)
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So wrong.

Samsungs are my preference. Used dozens, only had one die. newegg.com has a great price and great service. They cap out at 200G, but my preference is more TiVos (SA) rather than more than one drive inside.


/me shrugs.

I say it all the time, I do it all the time. I've had IBM, Seagate, Maxtor and Western Digital drives die on me in the past. I have yet to see a corolation between a certain manufacturer and failures. I give the advice that has served me well.

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Old 11-22-2005, 10:08 AM   #16 (Print)
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Anyone used those big hitachi's - I notice that you can get a 500Gb version for 200 quid! crikey!

I'm looking for a quiet, cool, reliable 300gb plus one which will work in a series 1. Any suggestions welcome.

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Old 11-22-2005, 10:21 AM   #17 (Print)
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I agree with Seans' post. That said I'd expect to see more problems with Maxtor drives. The box stores have had more sales with Maxtor drives over the past few years so I'd expect proportionately more users to have used Maxtor drives to upgrade.



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You see, these are the posts that don't help anyone. I want to know why you don't like Maxtor. Did you go through a few bad ones? Was it DOA? Was it harder to set up? Did it fail after 3 months? Did you have a bad experience with someone named Max?

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:47 PM   #18 (Print)
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Laptop drives

I've been using a pair of 2.5in. Fujitsu 80gb drives for over a year now. They are cool, quiet and reliable. Anyone else using laptop drives?

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Old 11-22-2005, 01:02 PM   #19 (Print)
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I myself would like to use the Seagate DVR drives, as described here http://www.seagate.com/products/con...nics/index.html, but does anyone know where you can buy these? I noticed that the new Directv DVRs use these as well.

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Old 11-23-2005, 02:00 AM   #20 (Print)
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Anyone used those big hitachi's - I notice that you can get a 500Gb version for 200 quid! crikey!

I'm looking for a quiet, cool, reliable 300gb plus one which will work in a series 1. Any suggestions welcome.

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Where did you find this?

Hopefully you meant 200 dollars, not 200 pounds.

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Old 11-23-2005, 05:56 AM   #21 (Print)
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hi dirac - yup sadly I meant 200 GBP - I'd take 10 if it was USD lol
you can find them on www.ebuyer.co.uk - but loads of places carry them
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Old 11-23-2005, 08:31 AM   #22 (Print)
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Okay, I know dozens of people will say I'm wrong, here goes anyway:

Modern desktop PC drives (the cheapest drives you can buy) are NOT designed for the type of duty cycle that they experience in a TiVo (or any other DVR). Drive manufacturers have designed the current crop of drives to operate in the average PC - where the temperature of the drive rarely exceeds 30°C and the drive operates for an average of 8 hours per day. They are NOT designed to operate reliably in the 40-45°C environment of a TiVo and they are not designed to operate 24 hours per day. They will actually last longer if stopped and restarted every day and operated for a few hours, than if left on 24x7.

Drives designed for use in servers are more expensive BECAUSE they are designed to operate at higher temperatures and in a continuous duty cycle.

Now, I'm not saying that you should go out and buy server drives, or special "DVR" certified drives - they are much more costly. However, the longevity of a particular desktop drive in a TiVo is due more to the luck of the draw than to one manufacturer building "better" drives than another. I operated Maxtor 60GB, 80GB and 120GB drives in my Series 1 DirecTiVos for over 3 years before upgrading to Series 2 units. I currently have Maxtor, Western Digital and Seagate drives in these boxes. If they last 3 years, I'll consider myself lucky. I won't be surprised if one or two fail before then.

So, bottom line...buy the drive with the best warranty, or the lowest price. But realize that unless you enable MRV to offload programming when a drive gets flaky, you probably will lose recordings eventually due to a drive failure.

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Old 11-23-2005, 01:12 PM   #23 (Print)
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I've been using a pair of 2.5in. Fujitsu 80gb drives for over a year now. They are cool, quiet and reliable. Anyone else using laptop drives?


I'm curious. Did you purposely buy laptop drives for your Tivo or were they leftovers? Also, I assume you need an adapter for the connection. I'd love to hear how long they last.

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Old 11-23-2005, 01:39 PM   #24 (Print)
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Old 11-23-2005, 02:18 PM   #25 (Print)
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I did a quick look on Newegg and found a Samsung 200Gb for $86:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822152019

What are the recommendations on that drive?

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Old 11-23-2005, 05:20 PM   #26 (Print)
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I did a quick look on Newegg and found a Samsung 200Gb for $86:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16822152019

What are the recommendations on that drive?

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Samsungs rock.

I've done 10-20 upgrades with Samsungs over the years, 120G, 160G, and at least three with the 200G you mention. They work great, very quiet, only one died in the four or five years I've used them. They work great as-is. I've never bothered trying any speed/sound adjustments. Ear against it, palm on the top, you can barely tell it is running.

And newegg is where I get them.

They're OEM, so they're in a simple plastic protector, then bubble wrapped. I've been wondering if I'll ever receive one DOA because of the shipping/packing methods, but that hasn't happened yet.

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Old 11-23-2005, 05:28 PM   #27 (Print)
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I can't speak for anything other than the three 300GB Seagates I've put into 3 DTIVOS. All are running fine... normal temps... and quite (enough). I don't hear 'em.

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Old 11-23-2005, 06:35 PM   #28 (Print)
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Anyone used those big hitachi's - I notice that you can get a 500Gb version for 200 quid! crikey!

I'm looking for a quiet, cool, reliable 300gb plus one which will work in a series 1. Any suggestions welcome.

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i have a 120 gig hitachi, it's awesome, low heat, no noise, it was pretty cheap at the time i bought it (a year ago it was $60 after rebate--i never sent in the rebate though!)

i have to agree with everyone on seagate drives. i love them, awesome life. i'll be at staples at 6am to get the 200 gig maxtor for $30 after rebate.
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They're OEM, so they're in a simple plastic protector, then bubble wrapped. I've been wondering if I'll ever receive one DOA because of the shipping/packing methods, but that hasn't happened yet.



Isn't it impossible to RMA an OEM drive?

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Old 11-24-2005, 12:26 PM   #30 (Print)
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I just ordered a Seagate 160Gb. My current WD is dying after 2.5 years. I looked for that new Seagate DB35 but couldn't find it anywhere. If anyone has tried one, I'd like to know.

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