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Old 12-09-2005, 05:56 AM   #1 (Print)
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Pronto help required

Hiya,

I was wondering if there is anyone in the E14/HP19 area who is willing to capture a few digits from my Strong SRT-6855 satellite receiver remote?

edit: am willing to travel a bit for it, so unless you're in the Highlands, I will consider it

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Old 12-09-2005, 07:21 AM   #2 (Print)
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I'm based in SW6 and EC2, so if you don't get any better offers, we could always meet up near Bank station or something.
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Old 12-09-2005, 08:48 AM   #3 (Print)
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Cheers, I'll keep your offer in mind.

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Old 12-11-2005, 05:54 PM   #4 (Print)
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Aaaargh!

I went to see a friend (not so local, but his coffee is quite good ) with a Pronto today and he captured the codes for me. Took the CCF home and converted them back to human readable format again. Tried to parse them through the webapp from Gary at the tivoportal, and it turns out the codes are "Learned 7000" instead of the normal "Learned 0000" codes

Does anyone know if the 7000 codes can be converted within ProntoEdit?

Yours desperate,

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Old 12-12-2005, 06:27 AM   #5 (Print)
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What model of Pronto was that? Aren't 7000 database codes? The original Pronto didn't have one. Either that or they're RC5/6 codes - in which case Gary may be able to help you.
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Old 12-12-2005, 06:55 AM   #6 (Print)
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They were captured with a RU940. According to http://www.remotecentral.com/pronto/pfaq-b4.htm its:

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B4-03 What does 0000, 8000, etc. mean in a hex code?

The first four digits of a hex code reference the type of code that is to follow:

0000 - Raw oscilated learned code (also sometimes RC6A codes).
0100 - Raw unmodulated learned code.
5000 - RC5 codes.
5001 - RC5x codes.
6000 - RC6 codes.
7000 - Non-standard format database codes (all models).
8000 - Internal database codes (some models).
9000 - Automatically detected database codes (some models).
9001 - Yamaha code format (RAV-2000 only).


I found some pdf describing the 7000 template, but it means nothing to me

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Old 12-12-2005, 12:49 PM   #7 (Print)
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Have you contacted Gary? I'm sure there's a utility for converting them. Alternatively, why don't you post them here (or PM me the file) and I'll see what I can do.
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Old 12-12-2005, 02:51 PM   #8 (Print)
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I haven't contacted Gary (yet), maybe he understands http://home.tiscali.nl/m.majoor/prontoirformats.pdf

I've attched the CCF in any case.

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Old 12-13-2005, 06:27 AM   #9 (Print)
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Ah, yes, that's a copy of the document I was referring to. Which bit didn't you understand?
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Old 12-13-2005, 06:33 AM   #10 (Print)
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<insertcryingsmiliehere>

Received a PM back from Gary, but he's unable to help as well, so I guess it is back to the drawing board.

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Old 12-13-2005, 12:49 PM   #11 (Print)
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OK. Had a quick look at this. Don't have much time here at the office, but I think the code for 1 is:

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0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 065B


However, this code has toggles in it and this is the "even" code. The "odd" code would be:

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0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 065B


There are strategies for dealing with toggle codes. Gary may be able to help with that.

Not sure what to suggest. But I suppose the starting point is to see whether pasting this code into a copy of the CCF still manages to control the STB. Note that the STB should ignore two even codes transmitted one after the other.
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Old 12-13-2005, 02:27 PM   #12 (Print)
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You are a genius!

Both those codes work when translated to TiVo IR, although I can not see how I should deal with 'odd' and 'even' in this respect. Should they be concatenated? Or use one and not the other, but risk missing a double digit change (to channel 11 for instance)?

But whatever formula you used, it works

I don't suppose you can share the secret formula? Or is this straight from the pdf?

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Old 12-13-2005, 02:47 PM   #13 (Print)
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Straight from the pdf, but it requires you to have done all that background reading before so you can decipher what Eigeny means.

The odd and even toggles are normally alternated by the remote so the STB doesn't respond to "key bounce". When using the STB with a TiVo, there are three strategies that may work:

1. Just send one type of code. Hope the manufacturer used a stock IR chip and couldn't be bothered to implement the toggle (at least that's how I interpret it).
2. Send the codes more slowly than normal so the "toggle" times out.
3. Send a dummy key press between each digit. I know Gary has used a right arrow in the past.

To know whether these have worked, you definitely need to test with channel numbers having double digits (e.g. 11).

Here are all the EVEN toggles for the number keys:

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1 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 065B
2 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 065B
3 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 0841
4 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 065B
5 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 0841
6 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 0841
7 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 0841
8 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 065B
9 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 065B
0 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 065B


And here are the ODD toggles for the cursor keys:

Quote:
up 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 0841
down 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 065B
left 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 0841
right 0000 006d 0000 000c 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 011A 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 00BB 0006 011A 0006 0841


You should double check all those numbers. You may also want to see whether sending a cursor key between number keys works (i.e. STB should ignore cursor press). Gary may be able to help you further with that.

Best of luck. I will keep an eye on this thread in case you need something else.

(oops - just noticed I had left the prefix (0000 006d 0000 000c ) off the cursor keys).

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Old 12-13-2005, 05:20 PM   #14 (Print)
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You are SOOOOOO the man!

Converted them all, loaded them on the TiVo and wham, bham, thank you kind Sir, all digits work, even the double ones

You've made my (and most importantly my wifes) christmas

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Old 12-14-2005, 06:33 AM   #15 (Print)
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No problem. Glad to have helped.
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Old 12-14-2005, 08:22 AM   #16 (Print)
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I'll get TiVo to add these to its database then.

Which codes from my converter worked - the "clean strategy 1" ones or the "straight conversion"?

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Old 12-14-2005, 10:21 AM   #17 (Print)
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The "clean strategy 1" ones worked straight away. Excellent work btw, Gary

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Old 12-14-2005, 02:37 PM   #18 (Print)
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Will be available in tomorrow mornings download - code 20062 under manufacturer STRONG.

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