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Old 12-15-2005, 09:28 AM   #1 (Print)
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TIVO with Mpeg-4

I know that Directv will have an MPEG-4 DVR soon but what about TIVO? Do they have a MPEG-4 unit coming?
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Old 12-15-2005, 10:44 AM   #2 (Print)
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Old 12-15-2005, 11:58 AM   #3 (Print)
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Yes they have one coming, It should be released in the first half of 06 chck www.tivo.com
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:05 PM   #4 (Print)
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I checked the website and couldn't find it.

Please supply a link.

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Old 12-15-2005, 02:51 PM   #5 (Print)
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:05 PM   #6 (Print)
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This link doesn't say a thing about mpeg-4, reads to me as mpeg-2 useage. I think if they meant mpeg-4 they would have specified it.

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:13 PM   #7 (Print)
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That has nothing to do with DirecTV or the switch to Mpeg-4.

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Old 12-15-2005, 08:30 PM   #8 (Print)
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That has nothing to do with DirecTV or the switch to Mpeg-4.


Where did theOP say he wanted the D* HD he is asking about the TIVO HD the way I read it!!!
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:49 PM   #9 (Print)
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Where did theOP say he wanted the D* HD he is asking about the TIVO HD the way I read it!!!


He asked about a Tivo with MPEG-4. There is no such thing, nor is one even on the drawing board.

By mentioning MPEG-4, most people would assume he is talking about a Directivo that supports MPEG-4, and that will never happen either.

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:07 PM   #10 (Print)
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I know that Directv will have an MPEG-4 DVR soon but what about TIVO? Do they have a MPEG-4 unit coming?


I talked with D* retention Wednesday and they told me mpeg-4 dvr will be coming out mid 2006.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:12 PM   #11 (Print)
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I talked with D* retention Wednesday and they told me mpeg-4 dvr will be coming out mid 2006.


But it won't be a Tivo.

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:15 PM   #12 (Print)
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Correct again as usual bigpuma. DIRECTV's next generation HD DVR will be MPEG-2/4 capable and is their own in-house DVR development. The platform will be simular to the new DIRECTV SD DVR, model R15, but with several enhancements.

We expect to see limited allocations of the HR20-250 by the end of February '06.

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:56 PM   #13 (Print)
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We expect to see limited allocations of the HR20-250 by the end of February '06.
Any idea how DirecTV will want to handle the MPEG4 switch for we HD DirecTiVo owners when HD LIL arrives in our cities?

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Old 12-15-2005, 03:22 PM   #14 (Print)
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Unfortunately for us Tivo lovers D* has not seen fit to continue with their popular line of Tivo equipped boxes. A real loss for us the consumer, IMO.

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Old 12-15-2005, 04:03 PM   #15 (Print)
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We are expecting the upgrade to be free or no more than $99.99, which includes the dish and up to 5 HD boxes and the labor. The 5 HD boxes can be any combination of HD STBs and or HD DVRs.

DIRECTV is now requesting for you to surrender your existing HD boxes, so if anyone wants to keep their beloved HD STB and or HD DVR you would need to purchase a HD or HR20-250 and take the $200 mail-in rebate, so DIRECTV will just upgrade your dish and none or at least one less HD box.

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Old 12-15-2005, 04:59 PM   #16 (Print)
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We are expecting the upgrade to be free or no more than $99.99, which includes the dish and up to 5 HD boxes and the labor. The 5 HD boxes can be any combination of HD STBs and or HD DVRs.

DIRECTV is now requesting for you to surrender your existing HD boxes, so if anyone wants to keep their beloved HD STB and or HD DVR you would need to purchase a HD or HR20-250 and take the $200 mail-in rebate, so DIRECTV will just upgrade your dish and none or at least one less HD box.

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So theyre expecting me to give them my $900.00 HD Tivo AND pay an upgrade fee?

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Old 12-15-2005, 06:46 PM   #17 (Print)
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So theyre expecting me to give them my $900.00 HD Tivo AND pay an upgrade fee?

$900 for what?

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Old 12-15-2005, 06:51 PM   #18 (Print)
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We are expecting the upgrade to be free or no more than $99.99, which includes the dish and up to 5 HD boxes and the labor. The 5 HD boxes can be any combination of HD STBs and or HD DVRs.

DIRECTV is now requesting for you to surrender your existing HD boxes, so if anyone wants to keep their beloved HD STB and or HD DVR you would need to purchase a HD or HR20-250 and take the $200 mail-in rebate, so DIRECTV will just upgrade your dish and none or at least one less HD box.

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What Tivo function will the new DVR lose? Because I thought tivo has rights to some of there functions.
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:52 PM   #19 (Print)
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We are expecting the upgrade to be free or no more than $99.99, which includes the dish and up to 5 HD boxes and the labor. The 5 HD boxes can be any combination of HD STBs and or HD DVRs.

DIRECTV is now requesting for you to surrender your existing HD boxes, so if anyone wants to keep their beloved HD STB and or HD DVR you would need to purchase a HD or HR20-250 and take the $200 mail-in rebate, so DIRECTV will just upgrade your dish and none or at least one less HD box.

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One comment and a couple questions:

Comment:

Maybe to some people there's not much difference between free and $100 but to me that's a significant discrepancy.

Questions:

1. I know its common practice in an upgrade to collect the old equipment but really, what's the reason for that? What will be done with the collected HR10-250s?

2. Also, I'm not sure if it was asked already and I don't want to cross the line as far as the new sticky re: discussion of the new DVRS but out of curiosity:

a. What it is the expected retail (not trade-in)cost of the HR20-250?
b. What is the expected retail cost of a dish swap (again without trading in the HR10-250)?

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Old 12-15-2005, 07:03 PM   #20 (Print)
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One comment and a couple questions:

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Maybe to some people there's not much difference between free and $100 but to me that's a significant discrepancy.

Questions:

1. I know its common practice in an upgrade to collect the old equipment but really, what's the reason for that? What will be done with the collected HR10-250s?

2. Also, I'm not sure if it was asked already and I don't want to cross the line as far as the new sticky re: discussion of the new DVRS but out of curiosity:

a. What it is the expected retail (not trade-in)cost of the HR20-250?
b. What is the expected retail cost of a dish swap (again without trading in the HR10-250)?


DIRECTV requests $99.99 to upgrade the antenna dish system and up to 5 HD STBs/HD DVRs. Many members have posted that DIRECTV has waived the $99.99 upgrade fee. This $99.99 upgrade fee is charged for the AT9 dish with or without any HD boxes.

We don't have a price for the HR20-250, but if you asked me to take a guess, my somewhat foggy crystal ball would suggest $499. less the normal $200 rebate. This is only my best guess and is not based on any information I have received from DIRECTV.

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Old 12-15-2005, 07:26 PM   #21 (Print)
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We don't have a price for the HR20-250, but if you asked me to take a guess, my somewhat foggy crystal ball would suggest $499. less the normal $200 rebate. This is only my best guess and is not based on any information I have received from DIRECTV.


I appreciate your guesstimate. Even when your using your foggy crystal ball, I've observed it to be more on target than most other speculators.

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Old 12-15-2005, 11:33 PM   #22 (Print)
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This is only my best guess and is not based on any information I have received from DIRECTV.t


I don't know many consumer product retailers so I'm asking you, if you don't mind. Just curious. When a consumer product company starts down the road to suicide, do they ever think to call up their retailers and ask "Hey, how do you think people are going to react to all this?"

I hope you have other product lines. Bad as cable is, and horrible as Dish is, DTV is dead.
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Old 12-15-2005, 11:56 PM   #23 (Print)
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I don't know many consumer product retailers so I'm asking you, if you don't mind. Just curious. When a consumer product company starts down the road to suicide, do they ever think to call up their retailers and ask "Hey, how do you think people are going to react to all this?"

I hope you have other product lines. Bad as cable is, and horrible as Dish is, DTV is dead.


I'm not sure DTV is dead. I just think they're going after the lowest common denominator. Once the masses start adopting HD in droves, they won't know DirecTV's average DVR from a TiVo, and their HD-lite from 'true' HD. I think DirecTV are very well placed to make bucketloads of cash, I just think they're doing it at the expense of their most loyal and historically most profitable customers.

I believe they misjudged the attraction of the TiVo brand - or at least I hope they have. Once Comcast have the Tivo option, I think it will be interesting to see how many defectors there are, especially if Comcast have a comparable HD offering. I know seeing the Giants baseball in HD will be compelling for me next year, which is not currently an option on DirecTV.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:11 PM   #24 (Print)
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Not only will DTV not get my box they'll probably lose me as a customer as soon as the Comcast-TiVo box comes out.

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Old 12-15-2005, 07:41 PM   #25 (Print)
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Me too, and I have seven boxes, most TiVo's and subscribe to the maximum package you can buy, including Playboy. They treated me like crap for my motorhome waiver and I have a long memory. If they produce the best box and provide a good upgrade path for my two HR-10;s I would listen. If Comcast comes out with anything at all that is comparable, D* is in my history book.
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Old 12-15-2005, 08:10 PM   #26 (Print)
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Me too, and I have seven boxes, most TiVo's and subscribe to the maximum package you can buy, including Playboy. They treated me like crap for my motorhome waiver and I have a long memory. If they produce the best box and provide a good upgrade path for my two HR-10;s I would listen. If Comcast comes out with anything at all that is comparable, D* is in my history book.


Me three. Some upgrade plan. It's far from free if I have to hand back my Tivo, or pay $500 (minus rebate) for a new box and $100 for another dish. Are they going to pay me back the extended warranty I have on it as well?

This paying for upgrades all the time reminds of my PC gaming days and is why I now use the consoles for playing games. With all the money I spent on DirecTV I could have leased cable boxes for about 15 years. It's the Tivo reliability and dual-tuner goodness that keeps me with DirecTV right now and as soon as that UI is on the Comcast boxes I'm off if that's how they're going to treat their best customers.
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Me three. Some upgrade plan. It's far from free if I have to hand back my Tivo, or pay $500 (minus rebate) for a new box and $100 for another dish. Are they going to pay me back the extended warranty I have on it as well?

This paying for upgrades all the time reminds of my PC gaming days and is why I now use the consoles for playing games. With all the money I spent on DirecTV I could have leased cable boxes for about 15 years. It's the Tivo reliability and dual-tuner goodness that keeps me with DirecTV right now and as soon as that UI is on the Comcast boxes I'm off if that's how they're going to treat their best customers.


Me four. I am going to have to price it out and possibly go back to cable, but I will probably only jump after hearing reviews and possibly seeing the box in action. I still would not let Comcast take my receivers as they are claiming they need to do with their latest promo/junk mail that I have been receiving.
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Old 12-30-2005, 07:12 PM   #28 (Print)
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Me four. I am going to have to price it out and possibly go back to cable, but I will probably only jump after hearing reviews and possibly seeing the box in action. I still would not let Comcast take my receivers as they are claiming they need to do with their latest promo/junk mail that I have been receiving.




I just this week switched from Dtv to comcast. They have a long way to go to be anything even remotely comparable to tivo. That being said, however, I love the HD locals with no dropout or pixilization. Comcast did not mention taking my receivers, and gave me $25 off the package price for 16 months because I switched from satellite. That along with high speed internet for 3 months at $19.95 and $49.95 thereafter.
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This paying for upgrades all the time reminds of my PC gaming days and is why I now use the consoles for playing games. With all the money I spent on DirecTV I could have leased cable boxes for about 15 years. It's the Tivo reliability and dual-tuner goodness that keeps me with DirecTV right now and as soon as that UI is on the Comcast boxes I'm off if that's how they're going to treat their best customers.


Count me in also. I agree completely with everything you said. My loyalty to DirecTV is tied heavily into their Tivo integration. If that is lost, I'm looking elsewhere for a company that can provide Tivo.
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Old 12-17-2005, 03:19 PM   #30 (Print)
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Not only will DTV not get my box they'll probably lose me as a customer as soon as the Comcast-TiVo box comes out.


Sadly, I might be in that same catagory too.

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