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Old 10-09-2005, 04:53 PM   #1 (Print)
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DirecTV introducing new DVR tomorrow (Monday)

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DirecTV introducing new DVR tomorrow
Posted Oct 9, 2005, 2:42 PM ET by Peter Rojas


It’s the day TiVo hoped would never come: tomorrow DirecTV is launching a $30 million advertising campaign to introduce its new in-house digital video recorder, the R15 DirecTV Plus DVR. The DVR, which should be available before the end of the month, will be able to record up to 100 hours of programming and will cost $5.99 a month (which is the same as what they’re charging for DirecTV with TiVo); a version capable of recording HDTV should be available sometime in the middle of next year.

You’ll still be able to get DirecTV with TiVo until an agreement between the two companies runs out in early 2007, but DirecTV has already stopped all marketing TiVo to its subscribers (if you want it, you have to ask) and will almost certainly do their damnedest to convince as many people as possible to sign up for their DVR rather than for TiVo’s (dropping the monthly price a bit would probably help). This doesn’t by any means spell the end of TiVo. DirecTV users account for only a small percentage of the company’s overall revenue — they’re only making about a buck a month off of every DirecTV with TiVo subscribe, which is way less than they’re making from standalone subscribers — but this arrangement did help them pump up their subcriber base in a pretty significant way. They better hope their deal with Comcast gets rolling right quick.
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Old 10-09-2005, 05:12 PM   #2 (Print)
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/me hugs his two DTivos.
I'll only be getting one of these after they break and I have exhausted all other means of getting another.

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Old 10-09-2005, 05:41 PM   #3 (Print)
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/me hugs his two DTivos.
I'll only be getting one of these after they break and I have exhausted all other means of getting another.

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Old 10-13-2005, 01:18 PM   #4 (Print)
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/me hugs his two DTivos.
I'll only be getting one of these after they break and I have exhausted all other means of getting another.


Agreed Gunny and to be honest if they can't do better than what I've heard out of this first one so far, when my units do die (I have a spare waiting too) I will switch to Comcast if they do have a Tivo based unit. I'm much more loyal to TIVO at this point than DirecTV....

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Old 10-09-2005, 05:53 PM   #5 (Print)
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Just tell them that if you don't get a tivo then you'll cancel the service. They have to sell it to you, it's in their contract.
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Old 10-09-2005, 05:59 PM   #6 (Print)
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I'm thinking that TiVo needs to roll out an ad campaign of their own touting the advantages of a REAL TiVo. I can see people calling up and ordering the DirecTV DVR thinking they're getting a TiVo based on their friends etc, and they get an R15 instead. When things don't work like they've been told, they'll take out their anger against TiVo because they won't know any difference.
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Old 10-09-2005, 06:09 PM   #7 (Print)
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I never thought I'd leave D*, but I may very well become a Comcast customer when they roll out their Tivo boxes. Unless this thing just blows Tivo out of the water. Which historically, no one has been able to do yet.
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Old 10-09-2005, 06:16 PM   #8 (Print)
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Is there a reason why tivo cannot continue to build a direct tv tivo? They did it with the series ones.

My house, no Tivo, no directv. Period.
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Old 10-09-2005, 06:44 PM   #9 (Print)
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My house, no Tivo, no directv. Period.


OH NO!!!! OH GOD! NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE SAY IT ISN'T SO!!!

**DirecTV runs back to rethink their decision**
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Old 10-10-2005, 06:05 AM   #10 (Print)
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I'm thinking that TiVo needs to roll out an ad campaign of their own touting the advantages of a REAL TiVo. I can see people calling up and ordering the DirecTV DVR thinking they're getting a TiVo based on their friends etc, and they get an R15 instead. When things don't work like they've been told, they'll take out their anger against TiVo because they won't know any difference.



The saddest part is, many people just would not know the difference unless it was pointed out side by side. I think it is possible that many of the people that care already have a TiVo of some kind.

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Old 10-10-2005, 09:59 AM   #11 (Print)
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I'm thinking that TiVo needs to roll out an ad campaign of their own touting the advantages of a REAL TiVo. I can see people calling up and ordering the DirecTV DVR thinking they're getting a TiVo based on their friends etc, and they get an R15 instead. When things don't work like they've been told, they'll take out their anger against TiVo because they won't know any difference.


Ya lets go ahead and publicly slam the new equipment of someone who gives us over 2 million dollars a month. That makes a ton of business sense.
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Old 10-10-2005, 10:26 AM   #12 (Print)
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Ya lets go ahead and publicly slam the new equipment of someone who gives us over 2 million dollars a month. That makes a ton of business sense.

Given that the deal is in effect until February 2007 and D* will probably not renew, why the hell not. It can't hurt TiVo to do this and maybe get them some new customers via their deal with Comcast.
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Old 10-10-2005, 11:26 AM   #13 (Print)
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Ya lets go ahead and publicly slam the new equipment of someone who gives us over 2 million dollars a month. That makes a ton of business sense.


And rolling over and taking it as they phase you out of that $2M/month does?
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Old 10-10-2005, 12:11 PM   #14 (Print)
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And rolling over and taking it as they phase you out of that $2M/month does?


I love how people think business works
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Old 10-10-2005, 12:22 PM   #15 (Print)
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I love how people think business works

Please enlighten us as to how it actually works.

Of course, if you have some insider info that D* might be considering renewing with TiVo, please by all means share it. Otherwise, I will tend to beleive what I have read in business publications that the deal between D* and TiVo will end on February 28, 2007.

And since D* is launching ads for their new DVR, I can guess that the TiVo boxes will be available on a request only basis, no wait, that's not a guess, Chase Cary said so.

So what exactly does TiVo have to lose?
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Old 10-10-2005, 04:57 PM   #16 (Print)
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I'm thinking that TiVo needs to roll out an ad campaign of their own touting the advantages of a REAL TiVo. I can see people calling up and ordering the DirecTV DVR thinking they're getting a TiVo based on their friends etc, and they get an R15 instead. When things don't work like they've been told, they'll take out their anger against TiVo because they won't know any difference.
Good luck. I'd love to see an EFFECTIVE advertising campaign showing the value of TiVo over the R15. It's hard enough convincing people that DVRs have a value over VCRs, much less trying to explain the differences between DVRs.

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Old 10-09-2005, 06:07 PM   #17 (Print)
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Maybe we will get lucky and have the option for the SA TiVo features that are currently not officially offered on the DirecTiVo's after the contract ends. I would consider paying TiVo directly for those features if offered.

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Old 10-09-2005, 06:39 PM   #18 (Print)
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I will NEVER go back to Comcast, but Verizon has just installed FIOS lines in my complex. Time will tell.
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Old 10-09-2005, 10:53 PM   #19 (Print)
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SBC was installing fiber optic cable all least week on my block; their cable offerings are coming soon. If the R15 doesn't match the Tivo units, and right now it doesn't, I'm back to Adelphia with the Moxi box (which comes closer) or I'll see what SBC has to offer.

New Coke, Edsel, R15...hope that extra dollar a month doesn't burn a hole in Rupert's pocket!
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Old 10-10-2005, 06:09 AM   #20 (Print)
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The DVR, which should be available before the end of the month


So there R15 will not be released Monday just the campaign?
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Old 10-10-2005, 09:19 AM   #21 (Print)
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If it doesn't have 30-second skip, it's just a hard drive in a box.
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Old 10-10-2005, 09:27 AM   #22 (Print)
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If it doesn't have 30-second skip, it's just a hard drive in a box.


If you can't switch between 2 buffered tuners, its just another hard drive in a box.

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Old 10-10-2005, 11:31 AM   #23 (Print)
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If it doesn't have 30-second skip, it's just a hard drive in a box.


I'll never understand the emphasis some put on this little feature. I have it enabled, but never use it...

I'd much rather hit FFx2 and play when I see the show come on. With 30second skip I can skip 20-30 seconds into the return which can potentially cause the missing/spoiling of a plot point, etc.

Plus, while loathe most commercials, especially during football, many times glossing over commercials also causes me to miss programming ads for shows/events I may actually want to see...at least with FF I can say "hey wait, what was that" and back up...
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Old 10-10-2005, 01:25 PM   #24 (Print)
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I'll never understand the emphasis some put on this little feature. I have it enabled, but never use it...

I'd much rather hit FFx2 and play when I see the show come on. With 30second skip I can skip 20-30 seconds into the return which can potentially cause the missing/spoiling of a plot point, etc.

Plus, while loathe most commercials, especially during football, many times glossing over commercials also causes me to miss programming ads for shows/events I may actually want to see...at least with FF I can say "hey wait, what was that" and back up...

At first I didn't see the big deal about the 30 second skip, but now I use it all the time. It's great for NFL games. If you hit it after a play is over it jumps foward 30 seconds and the players are lined up for the next play. I also prefer it for blowing through commercials, too.
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Old 10-11-2005, 09:14 AM   #25 (Print)
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At first I didn't see the big deal about the 30 second skip, but now I use it all the time. It's great for NFL games. If you hit it after a play is over it jumps foward 30 seconds and the players are lined up for the next play. I also prefer it for blowing through commercials, too.


That only works sometimes...for instance, last night's MNF game, my Bolts were running a bit of a hurry-up offense, which would make using 30 second skip between plays an adventure...
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That only works sometimes...for instance, last night's MNF game, my Bolts were running a bit of a hurry-up offense, which would make using 30 second skip between plays an adventure...


you, sir, need to master the 8 sec. back then 30 second skip. It's almost perfect for the hurry up offense.
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Old 10-10-2005, 02:38 PM   #27 (Print)
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I'll never understand the emphasis some put on this little feature. I have it enabled, but never use it...


Well, briefly, because there's no quicker way to skip through a commercial break and not have to pay attention to the nonsense that they're trying to sell me. I don't have to concentrate on the screen at all, just hit the button four times and boom, you're out of it.

And as far as actually finding something in a commercial break that I might want to watch/buy/whatever....I think that last happened back in 1968.

It's the only way, IMHO, to have ad-free TV, but if FF is better for you, that's a great thing!
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And as far as actually finding something in a commercial break that I might want to watch/buy/whatever....I think that last happened back in 1968.



So, in the caveman days of the 70s and 80s, how did you ever figure out what shows to watch, with no Tivo or internet?
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Old 10-10-2005, 03:11 PM   #29 (Print)
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I'll never understand the emphasis some put on this little feature. I have it enabled, but never use it...

I'd much rather hit FFx2 and play when I see the show come on. With 30second skip I can skip 20-30 seconds into the return which can potentially cause the missing/spoiling of a plot point, etc.

Plus, while loathe most commercials, especially during football, many times glossing over commercials also causes me to miss programming ads for shows/events I may actually want to see...at least with FF I can say "hey wait, what was that" and back up...



Its all about speed baby. 30 sec. skip and 7 sec. rewind is much faster than using the FF key. I despise FF. Sometimes I have to try three times to get it to stop where I want it to.

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Old 10-10-2005, 06:35 PM   #30 (Print)
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Its all about speed baby. 30 sec. skip and 7 sec. rewind is much faster than using the FF key. I despise FF. Sometimes I have to try three times to get it to stop where I want it to.

Uhh, have you ever tried just hitting the pause button while ff? It will stop exactly where you want it to.
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