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Old 11-17-2004, 10:17 AM   #1 (Print)
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TiVo Will No Longer Skip Past Advertisers

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...-home-headlines

By March, TiVo viewers will see "billboards," or small logos, popping up over TV commercials as they fast-forward through them, offering contest entries, giveaways or links to other ads. If a viewer "opts in" to the ad, their contact information will be downloaded to that advertiser — exclusively and by permission only — so even more direct marketing can take place.

Sounds to me like larger graphics for tivomatic, as long as they don't disable 30 sec skip I don't see what the big deal is.
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Old 11-17-2004, 10:29 AM   #2 (Print)
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No big deal at all. Takes me about 3-5 seconds to skip through a set of commercials. I don't mind seeing a pop up banner for 3-5 seconds. it might actually be cool.

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Old 11-17-2004, 10:40 AM   #3 (Print)
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Don't accidentally bump that select button.

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Old 11-17-2004, 10:41 AM   #4 (Print)
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Don't accidentally bump that select button.


Or just don't opt in? It's not clear to me if there's a 'global' opt out, or if they are only talking about an ad by ad choice.
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Old 11-17-2004, 10:45 AM   #5 (Print)
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Not a big deal.

It seems that when you fast forward, you will see one of those tivomatic icons.

If you use 30 second skip, you won't.

Tivo the company needs to make money. They are NOT talking your ability to FF through commericals away -- it's a very misleading headline.
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Old 11-17-2004, 10:46 AM   #6 (Print)
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Interesting...

On the face of it, its not a good thing since the last thing I want to be bothered by if I'm skipping through an ad is more ads. On the other hand, if it's done in a way that doesn't prevent me from scanning the programming behind the pop up, then I might accept it. Occasionally you do stop for an ad or promotion if it matters to you. A full screen pop up would not be helpful.

The other thing interesting is whether or not that Tivo will push out this technology to all Tivos, including the old code-frozen Series 1 boxes. If they do that, Tivo should at least throw the techies a bone by updating the Series 1 software for some Series 2 features (extra speed, folders, LBA48 kernel).

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Old 11-17-2004, 10:50 AM   #7 (Print)
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BAD MOVE FOR TIVO

I for one am not happy with this! TV my way maintains my privacy and that includes what I view, what I review, What I do with Tivo period. This is a bait and switch strategy and will not work out well for Tivo. Imagine having an internet connection that looked over your shoulder at every key stroke, and every site you visited. This is called SPYWARE!!! I think most of us would not want that kind of service offering. I will be first in line with the class action law suit that will surely be the result of this invasive practice. No doubt though the Tivo hackers will be hard at work to disable this but I fear that Tivo which began as a 'consumer' oriented company has now become the consumer's worst nightmare.

I bought Tivo (yes you see we actually have a contract with Direct TV and Tivo) to protect my family from the mind viruses launched daily from the networks who tout their tasteless sitcoms and reality drek to the viagra, ciallis psychic bombs coming out from Madison Ave. When I skip a commercial that should mean skipping the commercial.

Think long and hard about this. If they want access to your private world it should cost them and you should have full control over how they use the information. It will not end here.

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Old 11-17-2004, 10:51 AM   #8 (Print)
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heck, anything that moves the stock price, keeps the company creating and moving is fine on my part.
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Old 11-17-2004, 10:53 AM   #9 (Print)
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Hey motoGP, hopefully you opted out?
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Old 11-17-2004, 10:59 AM   #10 (Print)
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Re: BAD MOVE FOR TIVO

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I for one am not happy with this! TV my way maintains my privacy and that includes what I view, what I review, What I do with Tivo period. This is a bait and switch strategy and will not work out well for Tivo. Imagine having an internet connection that looked over your shoulder at every key stroke, and every site you visited. This is called SPYWARE!!! I think most of us would not want that kind of service offering. I will be first in line with the class action law suit that will surely be the result of this invasive practice. No doubt though the Tivo hackers will be hard at work to disable this but I fear that Tivo which began as a 'consumer' oriented company has now become the consumer's worst nightmare.

I bought Tivo (yes you see we actually have a contract with Direct TV and Tivo) to protect my family from the mind viruses launched daily from the networks who tout their tasteless sitcoms and reality drek to the viagra, ciallis psychic bombs coming out from Madison Ave. When I skip a commercial that should mean skipping the commercial.

Think long and hard about this. If they want access to your private world it should cost them and you should have full control over how they use the information. It will not end here.


Do you have a stand alone or a DirectTivo?
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:08 AM   #11 (Print)
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Re: BAD MOVE FOR TIVO

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I for one am not happy with this! TV my way maintains my privacy and that includes what I view, what I review, What I do with Tivo period. This is a bait and switch strategy and will not work out well for Tivo. Imagine having an internet connection that looked over your shoulder at every key stroke, and every site you visited. This is called SPYWARE!!! I think most of us would not want that kind of service offering. I will be first in line with the class action law suit that will surely be the result of this invasive practice. No doubt though the Tivo hackers will be hard at work to disable this but I fear that Tivo which began as a 'consumer' oriented company has now become the consumer's worst nightmare.

I bought Tivo (yes you see we actually have a contract with Direct TV and Tivo) to protect my family from the mind viruses launched daily from the networks who tout their tasteless sitcoms and reality drek to the viagra, ciallis psychic bombs coming out from Madison Ave. When I skip a commercial that should mean skipping the commercial.

Think long and hard about this. If they want access to your private world it should cost them and you should have full control over how they use the information. It will not end here.


"invasive practice"? It's hardly any more invasive than a commercial. That you get from turning on your TV. Your choice. Good luck with that lawsuit...

Seriously... you're viewing programs that "Madison Ave" creates for you and yet you refuse to view a billboard for 3-5 seconds? Guess how you can solve it? Don't watch TV.

You do not have a right to view free over the air entertainment programming without commercial interruption.

And as far as Spyware... actually MANY computer users put up with spyware all the time in order to enjoy other benefits from free software. (although many people don't realize they're getting spyware and that is wrong)

I just can't get angry about this. It's a non-issue.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:28 AM   #12 (Print)
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I will probably take a wait and see attitude.

My problem is I can't stop and look at all those contests they put on those starred items. I just have to bite! I agree tho in the end it will be a non issue, kind of a "bigger" tivomatic...

And if you read the entire article, TiVo as they have always had with kind of stuff, has/will have an opt out as far as the data gathering goes... (and i don't think DTiVo's are effected by this.)

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:35 AM   #13 (Print)
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The 30 second skip will be disabled

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It seems that when you fast forward, you will see one of those tivomatic icons.

If you use 30 second skip, you won't.


The advertisers will insist on it.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:35 AM   #14 (Print)
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I liked the part where they said the advertising revenue should bring down subscription price (currently $12.95 as they say).

At first one might say that this hurts total revenue, but it shouldn't...especially in the long run........A lot of people who do not have TiVO may be more likely to get that first unit if it were, say $6.95 for service and not $12.95 (assuming they choose to not go LT).

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:40 AM   #15 (Print)
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Re: The 30 second skip will be disabled

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The advertisers will insist on it.



that is the one turd in the whole thing. This is obviously why 30 sec skip became a backdoor adn then disappeared on newer models.

Fortunately I always just did a double FF becasue I might want to see what an ad was about anyway, mostly for movie trailers so I could put them in my netflix queue or not. So it is still a non issue and will probably find the whole thing an actual benefit in terms of getting info on new things


PS MotoGP - yes this is the outside world conencting to me, I happen to like the outside world so this is fine by me. I actually want the supermarket to know I always buy a gallon of milk when I hit the store (4 kids) and have one waiting at checkout for me at a volume discount no less.
If your choice is to want to filter the outside world then cut the cable, phone and credit cards up. USe cash and buy DVDs. Seriously , I point out what the ads are doing to manipulate to my kids - I teach them to be aware before they venture out into that outside world themselves.

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:41 AM   #16 (Print)
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Please remove your tin-foil hats....

If you are fast forwarding past a Bud Lite commerical, you'll still see part of the commercial. So if instead a little box pops-up saying "Drink Bud Lite. Press Thumbs Up For More Info." what exactly is the difference?

For more background on why this is no big deal, search for threads about Yellow Star ads from many moons ago.

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:43 AM   #17 (Print)
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I liked the part where they said the advertising revenue should bring down subscription price (currently $12.95 as they say).



Keyword "should".
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:43 AM   #18 (Print)
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Looks like another thread with the descriptive title Big News? is discussing the same topic.

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:45 AM   #19 (Print)
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that is the one turd in the whole thing. This is obviously why 30 sec skip became a backdoor adn then disappeared on newer models.


I, for one, won't mind too much if 30 sec skip goes away....I usually just FFF anyways. The only time I really ever use 30ss is when watching football and hitting the 30ss when the ball is down and getting the action back to the LOS. Non biggie for me if I lose this.....

I can't see TiVO ever taking away the ability to FF....it would kill them.

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Old 11-17-2004, 11:50 AM   #20 (Print)
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Tivo the company needs to make money.

Where can I sign up for this FREE Tivo service that you're getting?
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:53 AM   #21 (Print)
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I apologize for all my whining when I heard that TiVo was going to stop updating my Series 1 software. Now I'm glad I stuck with my old classic.

Again, Series 1 value bounced back. You couldn't pay me to trade a series 2 for my series 1.

This new ad thing might not be such a bad thing, but it's just another thing to add to the list of changes that aren't ok with 100% of tivo's users.
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Old 11-17-2004, 11:58 AM   #22 (Print)
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Will my unsubbed series 1 start having these pop up ads?

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This sucks for me, I watch a lot of shows on the first fast forward with closed captioning on.

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Old 11-17-2004, 12:04 PM   #24 (Print)
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Sorry, Idiot me didn't read the article close enough. Banners on commercials only.

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Old 11-17-2004, 12:06 PM   #25 (Print)
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I'm confused.... I don't see technically how they can have interactive banners at the same time we're FFing. And if we use 30 sec skip will we still have the banners? I'm confused by how this thing works.

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heck, anything that moves the stock price, keeps the company creating and moving is fine on my part.


It's not okay to me. There is such a thing as taking a stand; both as a person and as a company. Anything and everything in the name of profit is not always the right thing. Accepting anything and everything a vendor pushes on your is also not the right thing.

If things get out of hand, I WILL jump ship. How many people are like me? How many won't buy their first TiVo because of this? Who knows. But TiVo better find out before they flip that switch.

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It's not okay to me. There is such a thing as taking a stand; both as a person and as a company. Anything and everything in the name of profit is not always the right thing. Accepting anything and everything a vendor pushes on your is also not the right thing.

If things get out of hand, I WILL jump ship. How many people are like me? How many won't buy their first TiVo because of this? Who knows. But TiVo better find out before they flip that switch.

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I just wish people would have created a big stink when the network bugs were added to every program. Man that is annoying!
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:14 PM   #28 (Print)
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Why do we care about the solvency of TiVo, unless you own TiVo stock? If they go bankrupt, they'll be bought out by somebody else who will still deliver us our guide data.

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Why do we care about the solvency of TiVo, unless you own TiVo stock?


Bingo! I think we have a winner here!
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Old 11-17-2004, 12:17 PM   #30 (Print)
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Who knows...maybe it will help us skip commercials.
We will fast forward until the banner goes away, instead of trying to watch when the show starts again
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