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Old 10-19-2003, 01:51 PM   #1 (Print)
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USB ports in DirecTV / TIVO Series 2s.. Lawyer anyone?

USB ports in DirecTV / TIVO Series 2s.. Anyone out there have access to a good lawyer to take up the cause? Or is one?

How many of us bought these units thinking they would have the same features and functionality as Tivo. Who had any idea we’d be captive to DirecTV for software updates that rendered the Series 2 functionality useless.

Calling it TIVO and 2) Advertising these units with USB ports (that are deactivated) is just plain false advertising. To this day they are advertising units with this functionality. Everyone here who thinks the USB ports work, raise your hand.

DirecTV will n-e-v-e-r fix this on their own. The petition while really sweet. Isn’t working and its time to escalate the issue.

Anyone know a good lawyer who could drum up a nice class action suit? With the merger going on they will be eager to get this resolved.

I don’t want any money, I just want my USB ports to be turned on because that was what was advertised. Home Media would be nice, but I’d be happy with just the USB ports set to ON in the current software version 3.1b.

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Old 10-19-2003, 02:46 PM   #2 (Print)
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What merger are you referring to?
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Old 10-19-2003, 02:57 PM   #3 (Print)
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I bought my unit knowing full well that the USB ports WERE NOT being used for anything. I knew that there was a chance they could be activated for something in the future, but it never entered into my buying decision. If you bought the unit expecting for it to have a use, then you DID NOT do your homework on this unit. Nothing was ever promised in terms of what the USB ports would do or when.



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Old 10-19-2003, 03:11 PM   #4 (Print)
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"Calling it TIVO and 2) Advertising these units with USB ports (that are deactivated) is just plain false advertising. To this day they are advertising units with this functionality."

They are refered to as Directv DVR powered by TiVo, NOT A TIVO or a Directv/TiVo. Not false advertising, no promise was ever given as to what they would be used for. There is alot of speculation as to what they could be used for though.

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Old 10-19-2003, 03:13 PM   #5 (Print)
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I expect that there will be many people who will view this thread and:

a) Make excuses for why DirecTV/TiVo have nothing to apologize for.

b) Insult the person who started it, saying they should have been more informed in some way.

But let's face it...the people reading these forums are the exception, not the norm. Not all TiVo buyers are fanatics that know the details inside out, know how to install their own hard drives, know how to hack shell scripts, know the secret codes, etc. Some people are just typical consumers who make purchase decisions based on word of mouth AND the TiVo box itself.

The box clearly states USB ports. If you bought a computer and box indicated it had USB ports, you would never expect to take it home and found out that though the ports are there, they don't actually DO anything! You'd call tech support for a software fix, or you'd take the computer back. You wouldn't let anyone tell you that it's reasonable for those ports to be part of the system without actually working. You'd not let anyone tell you the problem was YOURS for being "misinformed".

I am sure there are a million political/technical reasons why DirecTV does not support HMO and USB and only TiVo and DirecTV know for sure. That doesn't do any good however for the consumer who gets nothing but tight-lipped non-answers from the companies when asking what the deal is.

This another one of those Lifetime DirecTiVo membership issues that divides us into camps.

Camp 1 - I didn't buy Lifetime/DirecTiVo 2, so I don't care personally, and those who do are whiners.

Camp 2 - I did buy Lifetime/DirecTiVo 2, but I knew what I was getting into so I accept it, and those who don't are whiners.

Camp 3 - I purchased Lifetime/DirecTivo 2 based on analysis of what I expected to be provided with and how long it would take to recoup the value, and those details later changed. Whether it was legal/acceptable on DirecTV's/TiVo's behalf doesn't mean I have to like it, and I will continue to "whine" until someone gives me an answer that is reasonable.

If you don't care that the USB ports don't work, that's cool. But don't come in here bashing the people who do care, and want something done about it. Why belittle their legitimate complaint just because it doesn't affect you?

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Old 10-19-2003, 03:19 PM   #6 (Print)
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If you bought a computer and box indicated it had USB ports, you would never expect to take it home and found out that though the ports are there, they don't actually DO anything! You'd call tech support for a software fix, or you'd take the computer back.



You have that same option with a Directv Receiver with Tivo. When you found out the USB ports didn't work, you could have taken it back, or you could have decided that it was a worthwhile purchase even without it's functionality. If you decided to keep it anyway, why start bitching?




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Old 10-19-2003, 03:22 PM   #7 (Print)
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The units have USB ports. AFAIK Directv NEVER promised HMO. You might complain that you can't use them to make a daily phone call BUT since Directv isn't currently enforcing a phone call I'm not sure what basis you could sue.

You really have no basis to assume that the USB ports would be used for anything specific.

Sorry, I don't see a legitamite complaint. What about someone else who "assumed" they could be used to add an extra (external) hard drive.
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Old 10-19-2003, 03:33 PM   #8 (Print)
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I feel if there is a reason for these ports not to be activated we should be aware of it. It is probably related to some possibility of stealing DTV Signal, but who knows. I bought my New DTiVo thinking I can use the features hyped by TiVo for their SA models.

It should be made more obvious to the casual consumer that the same options do not apply to the DTiVo's as the SA's.

I would like to know if there is a possibility of enabling the ports for some use. It sux reading all the great things others are doing with the SA's.

It seems it may be possible to turn on the ports with some hacking, but I am not prepared to make that kind of commitment with the possibility of ruining my newest addition to the family.

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Old 10-19-2003, 03:38 PM   #9 (Print)
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If I'm not mistaken, the USB ports work fine, there's just nothing you can do with them?

No TiVo has ever promised you being able to do anything with expansion ports - even the Series2 non DirecTV units say "for possible future services", not "for guaranteed future services to be delivered on XX/YY/ZZ"

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Old 10-19-2003, 04:25 PM   #10 (Print)
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I'd like 4.0 for my new DirecTiVo (for grouping and USB/Ethernet, don't care about HMO), but I bought it full well knowing that DirecTV calls the shots for new DirecTiVo software and that I may never see it.

I've no desire to insult the thread starter, but the two best ways to get yourself laughed off the internet is using the phrase "L. Ron Hubbard said so" or "let's start a class action lawsuit".

People already think us TiVo-fanatics are a crazy bunch and should be avoided at parties, let's not give them anything more to laugh about.

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Old 10-19-2003, 04:59 PM   #11 (Print)
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Simply calling your own cause of action legitimate does not in and of itself "legitimize" your claim...see how that works?

As for a class action law suit - for a tortious claim, you would need to prove the following:

1) Duty (D* owes you some affirmative duty)
2) Breach (of said duty)
3) Causation (the breach was D*'s fault)
4) Damages (monetarily measurable damages cause by 1-3 above)

Honestly, can anyone come up with damages here? And no, intentional infliction of emotional distress or loss of consortium DO NOT COUNT. :S

Sorry, no case. Summary judgment issued for the defense. Next on the calendar please?

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Old 10-19-2003, 05:34 PM   #12 (Print)
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They are refered to as Directv DVR powered by TiVo, NOT A TIVO or a Directv/TiVo. Not false advertising, no promise was ever given as to what they would be used for. There is alot of speculation as to what they could be used for though.

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Let me refer you to the direct TV site It is www directv dot com under products. It says Directv with TIVO right up front.

Also. I can point you to ads right now that say 2 USB ports. However, the ports are deactivated.

I have seen as you have said ads that say Tower powered but that is false advertising too. TIvo does not own or maintain the software due to the agreement signed between the two companies. If it did we’d have 4.0 instead of 3.1 A

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On 1-3 are not an issue from a legal standpoint. False advertising. i.e. not lying to the public. These guys not only advertised 2 USB ports, its one of their premier selling points on these units. Just saw an ad from DTV this weekend saying same.

WRT damages. Calculate the cost for modifying the units to have the USB ports work. Or an alternative workaround such a the cost of a modem and a serial cable (about 80 bucks).

Not looking for actual money here. Just want them to turn the USB ports on. Also prevent them from misleading customers.

I am no fan of greedy hungry lawyers suing corporations for no good reason except to make a buck (know a ton of them) but until there is tort reform why not have the greedy lawyer makes money from an actual worthy cause.

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Old 10-19-2003, 05:41 PM   #13 (Print)
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when i got the hdvd2 the other day, the lady i talked to on the phone from directv said she had the excat same unit and had a usb wireless connected to it. i then called back and talked to someone else can he said the usb was turned on.

i read the forums and everyone says it doesnt work.

which is correct ?

i want to get the usb/wireless but i dont want to shell out $100 for something that wont work...

/me confused
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Old 10-19-2003, 06:24 PM   #14 (Print)
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USB doesn't do anything on the new DirecTivos, I don't know what the woman who claimed she had it was talking about. Maybe she was thinking of an attached wireless video distribution system. Or, dare I hope, maybe she's in a beta program.

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Old 10-19-2003, 06:28 PM   #15 (Print)
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On 1-3 are not an issue from a legal standpoint. False advertising. i.e. not lying to the public. These guys not only advertised 2 USB ports, its one of their premier selling points on these units. Just saw an ad from DTV this weekend saying same.

WRT damages. Calculate the cost for modifying the units to have the USB ports work. Or an alternative workaround such a the cost of a modem and a serial cable (about 80 bucks).

Not looking for actual money here. Just want them to turn the USB ports on. Also prevent them from misleading customers.

If you are gonna fight the good fight—this is it.

You can not even get past point 1 from a legal standpoint. If you are arguing that it was false advertising, YOU can not take them to court, you must go through an agency (such as the FTC) to even be heard on something with respect to advertising. As for promises made to us instead? None were made. Me, along with most people that read this forum (and are the most vocal about not having the USB ports at all) KNEW beforehand that the USB ports were NOT active. Sorry, but you simply can't get past square one, let alone the breach (it's being looked at, so they have NOT breached yet, delayed maybe), nor the damages (you have to made whole - take your unit back for a refund is your ONLY option.)

Sorry, but you can not wrangle your facts into the requirements of the law on this one. It simply can not be done with what has transpired from D* and the HDVR2 programming. We knew ahead of time they would not be active out of the box. Caveat emptor, my good friend.

As for the poor person that actually consulted a D* service rep before purchasing, I feel for you. Unfortunately, you will come to learn that the average customer service rep (CSR) at D* doesn't know how the use the mute button on their own phone headset at work...honestly. They misguided you with those answers, but that still does not fall under the claim placed here - you were simply misguided (twice, by the sounds of it.)

Unfortunately, you just got your first lesson in the quality CSR game. We are usually telling them what D* offers, not the other way around. I do give them credit for trying, though...it's a tough job.

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Old 10-19-2003, 06:29 PM   #16 (Print)
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There is no support for the USB ports, and they are not activated by the current unmodified software. There is an unsupported way of hacking the HDVR2 to use them, however.

What is DirecTV promising in these ads that the USB ports are supposed to do, by the way? Are they saying that you can hook them to another piece of hardware that isn't provided to connect it to a LAN? Are they promising that you can add in a USB camera? Are they promising that you can connect a USB hard drive? I guess I'm confused what you feel that DirecTV said that tricked you into buying it because of the USB ports.

Also, once you found out that they did not work (that shouldn't take long, huh?), why didn't you bring it back?

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Old 10-19-2003, 08:00 PM   #17 (Print)
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You can get past 1 alone just by suing for Fraud. Just because you read these boards it doesn't mean the average customer did before hand.

And you can't be a tech litigator without know that people can sue for anything. A litigator does not even have to "Win" in this case, but instead put pressure on the company to change, do a little email discovery about who knew what when and let the press do the rest. Heck, I got this idea by talking to a litigator and posted the idea here.

Altho even without the litigators opinion (who used to work a Brobeck and now works at Wilson Sonsini) I know enough lawyers and enough people who are on boards of companies who have been sued to know that you can litigate over far far less than the facts of this case. And who knows, with a reasonable jury you might win and prevent DirectTV from doing this again.
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Old 10-19-2003, 08:14 PM   #18 (Print)
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Look, I'm all for enabling the USB ports. Lordy, just look at my signature. And yes, I'm in your boat regarding buying the unit thinking it was a series 2 TiVo with all the functions of such. Definitely the level of support and features coming out of DirecTV is sub-TiVo-par. I even agree with you that things were in some regard misleading and should have been labelled by DirecTV FAR better than they were regarding the differences (including training sales reps at stores, etc).

However, once I had my feature-shock and looked at the material, it is unfortunately true that nowhere on the HDVR2 box does it say it is a series 2 TiVo nor does it make promises about what the USB ports will do.

If you are so sure that it can be legislated, go for it. I'll be happy to see the features added. If I still have the same system by the time you get through the legal process. I strongly doubt that even if you could get it done legally that it would make any difference to anyone given the years it will take to legislate.

In truth I think that in the long term it would do more damage than good as it's not going to make DirecTV more happy to add new features, but instead make them even more wary about adopting newer technologies.

Complain all you want, we all do that here Lobby DirecTV to work on features that you want. Leave DirecTV if it gets to the point where someone else has a better offer. That is the good side of capitalism. Sue if you must, but don't expect everyone else to jump on that bandwagon with you as many consider that the -bad- side of capitalism.

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As for a class action law suit - for a tortious claim, you would need to prove the following:

1) Duty (D* owes you some affirmative duty)

Following thru on the promise of advertised merchandise. It says DirectTV with TIVO, not DirectTV with a 'half-baked, limited version of Tivo that will be only occasionally updated and without all the functionality of Tivo'

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2) Breach (of said duty)

- Failure to keep the software properly updated (10-11 months to fix and audio problem all the while in a circular fingerpointing game about whose fault it is, in the process causing another error and causing something so basic as the MODEL NUMBER reported by the software to mysteriously change [HDVR3])

- Failure to enable full 'basic' Tivo funtionality in the current version of the TiVo software (ie, grouping, USB support for the daily calls). This does not include HMO since that is an EXTRA COST item for even a 'basic' Tivo. This faiure causes the provided software to a 'crippled/limited' Tivo service and not 'TiVo Service' as indicated buy the TiVo logo and name.

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3) Causation (the breach was D*'s fault)

This is obvious, since even TiVo employees are muzzled buy DTV. This can also bue considerd a contributing factor to 2) above, since now service can only be gotten thru DTV and the normal responsive TiVo support that the TiVo name has built a reputation on is non-existant (see: excessively long delays in software updates, crippling/limiting of the abilities in the DTV 'authorized' TiVo software.

The fact that some of these features (USB Support) can be enabled by circumvention and hacks show that the capabilites are there, but that DTV is willfully withholding them...

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4) Damages (monetarily measurable damages cause by 1-3 above)

At the bare minimum, if a customer has NO other use for POTS phone service, then the damages are what ever the customer has to pay to maintain a 'traditional' phone line. Note also that altho the customer CAN not attach the phone line, he will eventually be presented with continual nag screens about pluggin in the phone line. Note also that PPV can not be ordered ON DEMAND without a phone line, causing the customer an additonal $1.50/$5.00 fee PER EVENT purchased using a 'non traditional' phone (ie. Cell Phone). Argument that the PPV can be ordered over the web is irrelvent since not everyone NECESSARLY has Web access (if someone dosen't have a POTS line, then you can't expect them to have a means to dial up the net. Failure of the customer to have SOME form of communication line (POTS or Broadband) vs a Wireless line would place the responsibility back on the customer. Enablement of the USB ports to make the TiVo/Daily call would satisfy this aspect. The requirement in the DTV service agreement that 'all receivers on an account must be connected to the same phone line' could easily be ammended to be 'connected to the same phone line/IP address' since anyone using broadband connections for the Tivo and having multiple uints would in all probablity be connected thru a Router/Switch/NAT that would present the same IP for all units connected behind it.

These is also the aspect that by offering a 'Crippled' TiVo that DTV could be construed as devaluing the Brand Identity of Tivo and could be liable for damages to TiVo as well.

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Sorry, no case. Summary judgment issued for the defense. Next on the calendar please?

OUT OF ORDER! Counsel is quilty of talking too fast and being a know-it-all, Case to be heard and Counsel sentenced to having to clear a nag screen every 2 minutes for the next year... with a 3 second audio dropout every time he does so.
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Following thru on the promise of advertised merchandise. It says DirectTV with TIVO, not DirectTV with a 'half-baked, limited version of Tivo that will be only occasionally updated and without all the functionality of Tivo'


- Failure to keep the software properly updated (10-11 months to fix and audio problem all the while in a circular fingerpointing game about whose fault it is, in the process causing another error and causing something so basic as the MODEL NUMBER reported by the software to mysteriously change [HDVR3])

- Failure to enable full 'basic' Tivo funtionality in the current version of the TiVo software (ie, grouping, USB support for the daily calls). This does not include HMO since that is an EXTRA COST item for even a 'basic' Tivo. This faiure causes the provided software to a 'crippled/limited' Tivo service and not 'TiVo Service' as indicated buy the TiVo logo and name.

***OTOH, nowhere does it promise full TiVo functionality. TiVo and DirecTV DVR powered by TiVo are not one in the same.***

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This is obvious, since even TiVo employees are muzzled buy DTV. This can also bue considerd a contributing factor to 2) above, since now service can only be gotten thru DTV and the normal responsive TiVo support that the TiVo name has built a reputation on is non-existant (see: excessively long delays in software updates, crippling/limiting of the abilities in the DTV 'authorized' TiVo software.

The fact that some of these features (USB Support) can be enabled by circumvention and hacks show that the capabilites are there, but that DTV is willfully withholding them...

***Willfully withholding? Last I checked, there is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing that states that they MUST provide the same technology, tit for tat with TiVo.***

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At the bare minimum, if a customer has NO other use for POTS phone service, then the damages are what ever the customer has to pay to maintain a 'traditional' phone line. Note also that altho the customer CAN not attach the phone line, he will eventually be presented with continual nag screens about pluggin in the phone line. Note also that PPV can not be ordered ON DEMAND without a phone line, causing the customer an additonal $1.50/$5.00 fee PER EVENT purchased using a 'non traditional' phone (ie. Cell Phone). Argument that the PPV can be ordered over the web is irrelvent since not everyone NECESSARLY has Web access (if someone dosen't have a POTS line, then you can't expect them to have a means to dial up the net. Failure of the customer to have SOME form of communication line (POTS or Broadband) vs a Wireless line would place the responsibility back on the customer. Enablement of the USB ports to make the TiVo/Daily call would satisfy this aspect. The requirement in the DTV service agreement that 'all receivers on an account must be connected to the same phone line' could easily be ammended to be 'connected to the same phone line/IP address' since anyone using broadband connections for the Tivo and having multiple uints would in all probablity be connected thru a Router/Switch/NAT that would present the same IP for all units connected behind it.

***The user agreement specifically states that you MUST have a phone line. Whether or not it is (or should be) necessary is besides the point. No damages there, since you agreed to it as part of accepting the service.***

These is also the aspect that by offering a 'Crippled' TiVo that DTV could be construed as devaluing the Brand Identity of Tivo and could be liable for damages to TiVo as well.

***TiVo is in on it. Nowhere in the TiVo-DirecTV agreement (it's out there if you look) is there the requirement that DirecTV DVR's must match feature for feature.***


OUT OF ORDER! Counsel is quilty of talking too fast and being a know-it-all, Case to be heard and Counsel sentenced to having to clear a nag screen every 2 minutes for the next year... with a 3 second audio dropout every time he does so. [/B][/QUOTE]

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This issue will go away when DIRECTV activated the USB ports and supports them with some applications. I think we will see this happen by year end.
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Exactly. I agree with DTV Tivo Dealer, in that we will probably see this functionality - but it obviously won't be as a result of some worthless "fraud" claim as mentioned before...get over yourself. I am actually still chuckling at the guy who "knows a litigator" who looked at this, yadda yadda. You can also get a good look at a T-bone by sticking your head up a....

Legally, it's toothless, worthless, and a bunch of hot air.

Do I think we should have the USB ports enabled by now? Yes
Do I sympathize with anyone that was not savvy enough to know that they would not be supported out of the box? Yes, but caveat emptor.
Will I waste any more time debating the legality of a consumer product with a guy who "knows a guy, who knows a litigator" and wants to sue because he has a selective memory and refuses to read? No

Let's all take a 15 minute recess and remind ourselves what the original post alleged:

D* advertised these units claiming that the USB functionality was working (not sure how he got that...but...), and that a lawsuit should be started.

Can he really bring any proof of this "claim" instead of hot air? Seriously, post your evidence to show this misleading advertising scheme - it might change the entire tone of this discussion. I will be waiting.

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a bunch of hot air

just seems to say it all about this thread. Shame so much emotion and writing goes into nothing. How about helping some hungry or lonely children?

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I'll be the first to chime in, as a chronic complainer, that I'm very disappointed that DirecTV has not chosen to upgrade the software for the "Series 2" platform. In fact, I've brought it up several times in the past, and even suggested that we organize an "Opt-Out" day in protest.

But this is definitely not the right approach. I believe that TiVo had every intention of using the USB ports, but a reworked contract with DirecTV seems to have put an end to any sort of innovation. I'm willing to see what happens during the next year. If DirecTV is still unwilling to innovate, I'm going to vote with my wallet and find a suitable alternative.
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Old 10-20-2003, 12:19 AM   #25 (Print)
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This issue will go away when DIRECTV activated the USB ports and supports them with some applications. I think we will see this happen by year end.
That seems highly unlikely to me. It took, what, a year to go from 3.1.0 to 3.1.1b? And now you're suggesting that there'll be a second software upgrade within two and a half months?

To the original poster: Never apply lawsuits where hacking will suffice. ;-) (Unless they try to ban the hacking, of course.) My HDVR2 uses Ethernet over USB, even for its daily call.
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Old 10-20-2003, 12:24 AM   #26 (Print)
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Well said. If you don't like the fact that the USB ports don't work on the new hw, buy a SA. If you don't like the lack of dual tuners or loss of quality, buy a Replay or UltimateTV.

When S2 hw first came out, I immediately went out and bought one, bought the USB wireless modem, came home, hooked it all up, went to TiVo's website, and couldn't figure out how to activate it. I called TiVo and they said it didn't work with DirecTiVos. So, I promptly returned it all and continued using my series 1.

Now, I just bought a new "series 2" for $99, knowing full well the USB ports don't, and perhaps never will, be officially supported. Am I disappointed? Yes. But not so much that I'll switch to something else.

If you're so disappointed, switch (or hack it). It's that simple.
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Old 10-20-2003, 12:43 AM   #27 (Print)
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This Is Hysterical.

Sorry, no case. Summary judgment issued for the defense. Next on the calendar please?
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OUT OF ORDER! Counsel is quilty of talking too fast and being a know-it-all, Case to be heard and Counsel sentenced to having to clear a nag screen every 2 minutes for the next year... with a 3 second audio dropout every time he does so.


P Freak-- The ad I saw today was one I saw this week advertising a higher capacity DVR from DTV. The advertising claim for the 2 USB ports was on the one page add. It wasn't listed as a bottom feature or even in the fine print (not that it would matter). The shocking thing was it was near the top.

As for that changing your tone. Thats really your call as to whether you want to be emotional about it or not. But the petition is not working and what DTV is doing (still) is just plain wrong. Someone needs to change it. That said, if someone has a more constructive idea that will 1) get people attentiona and 2) potentially get them to change then I'm all ears.

Sitting around waiting for them to activate the ports is not a strategy. Also keep in mind, it may be that they want people to use local calls to dial in as a method of preventing subscription fraud. i.e. putting power to those ports is not a lot of effort in terms of functionality to be added, but they have to balance that against those who want to prevent people using the servce for free.
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Old 10-20-2003, 01:41 AM   #28 (Print)
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The ad I saw today was one I saw this week advertising a higher capacity DVR from DTV. The advertising claim for the 2 USB ports was on the one page add. It wasn't listed as a bottom feature or even in the fine print (not that it would matter). The shocking thing was it was near the top.
What ad? Can you please let me know what ad you are talking about - I would love to check it out. Best Buy? Circuit City? DirecTV itself? Point me in the right direction, I would love to check it out.

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Old 10-20-2003, 03:05 AM   #29 (Print)
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What do you want from USB ports?

I don't understand all this energy going into the lack of functional ports. Yes, it would really be nice if they worked, but worked at doing what?

TiVo is not being sold as a general purpose computer in which you could pick up random drivers here and there and add a CD, modem, net card, etc. It's a special purpose box that happens to be powered by a general purpose operating system, but an OS configured to do specifically the TiVo function.

Ok, so let's say they activated them, then what? Unlike the regular TiVo boxes which have been hacked from here to doomsday, these boxes seem to be left alone.

This means we would be at the mercy for DirecTV to release drivers where they are totally unwilling to even update the software at any reasonable rate. After a year we only get an audio drop-out fix combined with a few other bug fixes?!?

I am disappointed that the DirecTV TiVo box lacks some of its big brother's features but it stands in a class of its own with the dual tuners. I switched from ReplayTV to TiVo and have never wished to have gone back.
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Old 10-20-2003, 05:56 AM   #30 (Print)
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Shame so much emotion and writing goes into nothing. How about helping some hungry or lonely children?

Some of these folks are confused enough. Let's not throw a strawman into the mix...
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