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Old 11-01-2005, 03:26 PM   #1 (Print)
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Sign language for deaf TV watchers (aka The 'flippy-flappy' woman)

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The only time they repeat it is overnight with the woman throwing her arms about in a bid to be politically correct.

I think we've been here before Dom., but you don't think deaf people should be allowed to be able to watch TV if they want to; even if it is way out of prime-time at stupid o'clock in the morning?

Just wondered

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Old 11-01-2005, 06:28 PM   #2 (Print)
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Old 11-02-2005, 07:47 AM   #3 (Print)
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I had similar thoughts, Carl, though, and yes this is old ground, digital telly is supposed to be about interactivity and choice, so why can't we red button it to remove the signing?!

And now to drag this completely off-topic (see how you like it Carl! ), did you see they used the disabled access arguement to justify the recent removal of Routemaster buses in London?

I have read a quote from a disabled guy who said he found it easier to use Routemaster buses because the conductor would help you on, and make sure you were seated before the bus sped off.

< Eric sheds a tear for the one true bus >

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Old 11-02-2005, 08:15 AM   #4 (Print)
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Moving further from the topic...
The 38 was replaced in the last few days. As I was hacked up on my bike by the bendybusabomination driven like a Routemaster I wondered how many more customers with accessibility issues they were likely to create

Getting a baby buggy onto a RM was no joke but as you said the conductor would help - on the benders you're on your own and frequently can't board because of all the people in the way who won't move.

I accept that the Routemasters were old and as a 6'2" fella the upper deck was too low - but the loss of conductors is a real shame - briefly they added conductors to the 56 resulting in a faster, cleaner and safer customer experience.

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Old 11-02-2005, 11:01 AM   #5 (Print)
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I had similar thoughts, Carl, though, and yes this is old ground, digital telly is supposed to be about interactivity and choice, so why can't we red button it to remove the signing?!

I wouldn't have a problem with that. No chance of it on analogue of course, though

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And now to drag this completely off-topic (see how you like it Carl!

See if I care

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Old 11-03-2005, 05:10 AM   #6 (Print)
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bendybusabomination
Yeah, BendyBuses...

How did that meeting go?
"London's roads are congested."
"I know; let's invent a bus that takes up twice the road-space of a double decker."

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...and doesn't carry as many passengers or move as fast.

Personally I think the 'Pretend you've paid before you board' element is the most stupid. It really winds me up that they are always full but you see virtually no-one validating Oystercards or giving tokens to the driver. I know a lot of people have travelcards of one sort or another but I reckon a fair few are never paying for their travel.

To my intense irritation they've stuck 'no cyclist overtaking' stickers on them at the back on the left (kind of fair enough) AND on the right! Am I supposed to wait behind the 38 at every stop on my route to work? Talk about blaming the victim! I'm seriously tempted to print some stickers saying 'Use this mirror before pulling out' and attach them to the appropriate part of the bendybus.

(Do I get a prize for diverting the thread the furthest off topic?)

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Old 11-23-2005, 07:15 PM   #8 (Print)
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So London doesn't have double decker busses anymore? That is soooo funny. Las Vegas just introduced "The Duece". They mostly just run on The Strip and replaced the bendybusses. The bendybusses have been moved to the East/West routes since they were newer then the old standard busses and ridership is on the way up for those routes.
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Old 11-24-2005, 07:03 AM   #9 (Print)
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No, London has plenty of double decker buses

The Routemaster was the 'classic' red bus and most of them had been running since the 50's. They have been replaced with long articulated single deckers AKA Bendy Buses on the old Routemaster routes except for :

Stagecoach Route 15: Trafalgar Square - Strand - Fleet Street - Ludgate Hill - Cannon Street - Eastcheap - Tower Hill

First Bus Route 9: Royal Albert Hall - Kensington Road - Knightsbridge - Piccadilly - Trafalgar Square - Strand - Aldwych
Kept for the tourists!

Don't worry if you come to London you'll find plenty of red double deckers to ride - either public transport used by us locals or by the open top guided tour variety (which I highly recommend to anyone visiting London as good transport, good site seeing and a welcome sit down between attactions).

The old
http://www.routemaster.org.uk/rmnews.htm

The new
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/

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Old 11-24-2005, 07:07 AM   #10 (Print)
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Haven't some Routemasters been replaced by double-decker non-Routemasters as well?

I use the 94 quite often and that doesn't usually (ever?) have bendy-single-deckers, it now has non-Routemaster double-deckers where previously it was served by Routemasters.
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Old 11-24-2005, 10:26 AM   #11 (Print)
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Las Vegas just introduced "The Duece".
Wow! What a glamorous bus!
What that white thing on the front of the bus?
Is it a cow-catcher?

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Looks like one of those bullbars you find on Land Rovers and such

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Old 11-24-2005, 05:09 PM   #13 (Print)
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Wow! What a glamorous bus!
What that white thing on the front of the bus?
Is it a cow-catcher?
Bicycle rack.

These busses don't get going fast enough to need a bully bar.
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Old 11-24-2005, 05:14 PM   #14 (Print)
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Haven't some Routemasters been replaced by double-decker non-Routemasters as well?

I use the 94 quite often and that doesn't usually (ever?) have bendy-single-deckers, it now has non-Routemaster double-deckers where previously it was served by Routemasters.


I want to see a bendy double-decker
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Old 11-25-2005, 05:33 AM   #15 (Print)
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Haven't some Routemasters been replaced by double-decker non-Routemasters as well?

I use the 94 quite often and that doesn't usually (ever?) have bendy-single-deckers, it now has non-Routemaster double-deckers where previously it was served by Routemasters.


You are correct
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/ini_bendy-bus-routes.asp

The 38 and 73 were my only local Routemasters and they've both gone bendy this year.
The 19 (which I overtake from Islington into central London) used to be a RM but is now a modern double decker.

The only consolation about either is I'm no longer catching pedestrians on the handlebars when they jump off the back without looking.

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I want to see a bendy double-decker

That would be something worth seeing! TFL reckon you can get 140 on a bendy single decker mostly standing, so you'd get another what 50 sitting on top? Imagine how slow that thing would be pulling away fully loaded!

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Yes, and going up hills . Would be very cool though!
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:49 AM   #17 (Print)
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We had bendy buses up/down this way for 6 months but they kept getting stuck in various places.

They went back to using double deckers.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:52 AM   #18 (Print)
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At the end of the day the Routemaster could have been modified to include disabled access fairly cheaply.

However, a Routemaster needs to be operated by two people. Newer buses only need one person.

At the end of the day the bus company wanted to sack people to save money.
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Old 12-21-2005, 03:11 PM   #19 (Print)
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... and then when they find no-one is paying, they'll pull that route.

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What you find is that most of the bus companies already rely on their cut of the travelcard revenue and I assume a split of the saver ticket and ticket machine at bus stop. Most (all?) bendies are cashless already so there's no direct revenue per passenger.

I guess there is a danger that if no-one buys tickets at the roadside and no one validates their oystercards then it will look like the routes are under used. As increases in buses are the only practical way TFL can increase passenger volumes to meet demand in London I doubt there will any route pulling in Zones 1 & 2.

Though I'm not mad keen on the bendies - I can see they're a much more cost effective way to get extra accessible capacity than adding public lifts to every tube or digging the 2nd central line!

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I want to see a bendy double-decker


I've heard they're coming!

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