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Old 06-20-2003, 05:19 PM   #1 (Print)
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HBO documentary on Nevada Brothel

This program was on last night in the Mountain time zone at either 8 or 9pm.

It was on the main HBO channel. I'd hate to have seen anybody younger than an 18 year old latch on to this one accidentally.

There were many, more than tittilating sequences the best (worst) was a porn star named Sunset negotiating on a bed with two blue collar guys and eventually offering them a "party" for $3000.

There was another scene of a working girl named air force Amy, clearly nude from the waist down being pleasured by another girl with a large electric vibrator.

With the sole exception of male genitalia, nothing was off limits. There's a web site specifically about the Nevada Brothels that doesn't come anywhere near showing the nudity that this show did.

Shame on HBO for not taking proper precautions about when it aired.

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Old 06-20-2003, 05:48 PM   #2 (Print)
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What are you talking about? Just about every TV out there now has a V-Chip installed which will filter out shows based on ratings. If someone's TV doesn't have it, the cable box satellit receiver will have that functionality.

Otherwise, monitor your own damn kids if you have the pay channels. Don't say "
Shame on HBO" for having programming that's aimed at adults.

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Old 06-20-2003, 05:59 PM   #3 (Print)
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What are you talking about? Just about every TV out there now has a V-Chip installed which will filter out shows based on ratings. If someone's TV doesn't have it, the cable box satellit receiver will have that functionality.

Otherwise, monitor your own damn kids if you have the pay channels. Don't say "
Shame on HBO" for having programming that's aimed at adults.


The irresponsibility in your reply is flabbergasting to me and really not worthy of a reply.

Your avatar gives a clue as to where your head is at

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Old 06-20-2003, 06:07 PM   #4 (Print)
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Steve,

I gotta agree: this is a premium channel and most likely had a warning about the rating going in. That and the V-chip - or better yet: TiVo's parental features (along with parental supervision) should stop kids from viewing it...at least, most. The networks (especially premium pay networks) are not responsible for your children. In the end, it's up to the parents. Besides, if the proper precautions are taken, then it's just as "difficult" for a kid to order up Playboy-TV or Spice-TV, now, isn't it?

Also, where's the outrage to the tons of VIOLENT shows on the big four networks?? I'd rather my child view something that's natural (i.e., sex) than violence.

If you're going to make degrading comments about people based on their avatar and their disagreeing reply, then why even start the thread? You know why: you wanted to have a discussion and wanted to hear both sides. So you heard it.....then slammed him for it?

Now...go ahead and comment on my avatar: you wouldn't be the first!

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Old 06-20-2003, 06:11 PM   #5 (Print)
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I agree with the majority here so far... Why is it HBO's fault for airing something an adult might want to see? Should the playboy channel not exist because kids could watch it? Should we outlaw all dirty magazines because kids could get a hold of them? No. That's the job of the parents. I'm tired of people blaming everyone else but the parents for things kids encounter these days. I want to choose what I want to watch, and what my kids can watch. Why do I want HBO to say what they can or can't watch? I don't want my kids watching violence on TV. So should I complain about things like Pokemon or Power Rangers which by nature are very violent? They are aimed at kids!

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Old 06-20-2003, 06:23 PM   #6 (Print)
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If HBO had used an ounce of discretion about what time the program aired there would be no discussion.

I described the content of the show only to make the point about when it was shown. I did not bad mouth the content.

I have 2 "kids", boys 32 and 36 and unfortunately no grandchildren.

Better read Fleegle's reply again before you jump on me for flaming him.

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Old 06-20-2003, 06:45 PM   #7 (Print)
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I read it. And again. And again. His response was valid.

You wanted HBO to show discretion about what time they air it.

Fleegle said that thanks to modern technology, parents should have the discretion about who watches it. HBO has no responsibility to your (or anyone's) children. They're a premium channel. You get what you pay for - literally.

You tore him a new one by flaming his avatar and "where [his] head is at".

huh?

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Old 06-20-2003, 06:51 PM   #8 (Print)
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Well, fleegle may have been a tad harsh with his "your own damn kids" statement, but other than that I didn't think his post deserved a harsh response. I understand why you're upset about the HBO show, but I don't understand why you singled out that show in particular for attention. Other shows like Sex in the City, the Sopranos and even Six Feet Under show some risque stuff at the same hour.

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Old 06-20-2003, 06:51 PM   #9 (Print)
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Old 06-20-2003, 07:08 PM   #10 (Print)
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Maybe we should suspend this discussion until some ultra liberals get a chance to watch the program on July 18, on HBO2 at 9pm est, 7pm mst. It's on HBO high definition and HBO latino even sooner.

So far nobody who replied has indicated that they watched the show.

It's certainly no "sex and the city".

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Old 06-20-2003, 07:31 PM   #11 (Print)
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Steve,

I think you're missing what people are saying. The content of the show isn't important. It's the responsibility of the parent (not a corporation) to make sure their kid isn't watching something the parent doesn't want them to.
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Old 06-20-2003, 07:44 PM   #12 (Print)
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I did watch this one or two months ago, don't remember exactly when. But I'm on the east coast, my 11pm is your 9pm. I know HBO has east and west coast programming, but mountian time? I don't know.
You're right that it's no Sex and the City, but most parents wouldn't want young children to watch that either, and it's on 9pm eastern time. I don't fault HBO, any parent with young children should have the parental lock on this channel.

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Old 06-20-2003, 07:52 PM   #13 (Print)
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The irresponsibility in your reply is flabbergasting to me and really not worthy of a reply.

Your avatar gives a clue as to where your head is at


No, the irresponsibility lies in the lap of anybody who has premium channels and children and DON'T use the V-Chip functionality that's been built into every TV from the last decade. Also, I posted this avatar around Christmastime when we had the TC Playground threads. You'll see several people here like Retrodog and Lori who also have "kid" avatars that they created around that time. Someone here was nice enough to clean up a faded 28 year old photo of me so I could use it and I liked the results so much that I couildn't change it. It has nothing to do with my emotional state.

...Not that I should have to explain myself or why I chose a certain Avatar.

Also, I thought I would mention that I know for certain that you either have digital cable or satellite TV. How do I know this? You live in the Mountain Time Zone and were watching A EAST-COAST FEED OF HBO! Now that I'm home, I can check last night's HBO listings on my DTiVo, and in the mountain time zone, that show aired at Midnight on the West coast HBO feed. HBO did air it at a time appropriate for that feed. Is it HBO's fault that you get a feed that they didn't intend for you to get? If they had to air shows that were time appropriate for everytime zone, including Alaska and Hawaii, they would have 2 or 3 hours a night in which they could air them.

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Old 06-20-2003, 11:38 PM   #14 (Print)
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Maybe we should suspend this discussion until some ultra liberals get a chance to watch the program on July 18, on HBO2 at 9pm est, 7pm mst. It's on HBO high definition and HBO latino even sooner.

So far nobody who replied has indicated that they watched the show.

It's certainly no "sex and the city".


While I am no ultra-liberal, I think I have seen this show. Was it part of HBO's documentary series "America Undercover". Was there a part where a mother brought her son to the brothel so he could lose his virginity?? If so, then yeah, I saw it. I caught it at my hotel room a few months ago. IIRC, it aired late (I was on the west coast), but maybe "late" is a relative term. It certainly had the standard TV-MA rating and discalimers (just like The Sopranos and other shows with mature content)

What did I think of the show? It was certainly interesting. A very open look at what goes on at a place like that. If you ever wondered, this is a good way to find out. It sure is expensive.

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Old 06-21-2003, 12:22 AM   #15 (Print)
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They aired it at a time that is appropriate for the East Coast so no fault to HBO.
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Old 06-21-2003, 12:24 AM   #16 (Print)
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If HBO had used an ounce of discretion about what time the program aired there would be no discussion.
I have a satellite dish, so I get the premium channels for both coasts, this gives me such programming starting at 6pm. I know I am not the only customer they have, so a good part of the premium channel viewing population must have gotten used to this by now. Since I have a TiVo I don't care when it is on, but if I were stuck in the dark ages I would sure be annoyed if they couldn't show that programming until midnight to keep it late enough for other time zones.

I have seen the program by the way.

I'm not saying that anything goes. I once went into The Good Guys at 6pm on a Sunday with my family and they where playing Sex and the City and I complained up a storm. I have a problem with them airing it on every TV in a store that anyone can walk in, and part of what upset me is as a big fan of SATC I would hate for their airing to cause trouble for HBO or the show.

On the other hand, the fact it is available on my TV at that time is no problem. I don't catch that airing of it, but I don't mind it being there.

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No, the irresponsibility lies in the lap of anybody who has premium channels and children and DON'T use the V-Chip functionality that's been built into every TV from the last decade.
My husband and I have a child and make ZERO use of such functionality, and would prefer it wasn't there, and I don't feel the least bit irresponsible.

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Old 06-21-2003, 12:43 AM   #17 (Print)
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I'm sorry, $3000 is just out of my price range....

oh, different subject. I agree with everybody. HBO is a pay channel, they can put whatever they want on whenever they want.

And since i don't think there's going to be HBO East, HBO Mountain, HBO Central, HBO West, HBO Hawaii & HBO Alaska anytime soon, 9 pm shows can show earlier in westerner time zones...

Where exactly should a parent be at 7 pm??

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Old 06-21-2003, 01:06 AM   #18 (Print)
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I'm sorry, $3000 is just out of my price range....
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Old 06-21-2003, 09:25 AM   #19 (Print)
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I would hate for HBO to wait until an appropriate hour to air anything. I keep a watchful eye, and the other one too, on everything my daughters watch. I don't need anything or anyone to keep my children from seeing what I don't want them to see. Heck, I find a lot of shows on Nick disrespectful to adults and violent that aren't on in my home. I pay for HBO and I don't want them only airing things at "safe" hours, after all with VCRs and TiVOs, when is there a safe hour?
And omnibus-you need to lighten up. You come out attacking HBO, then you flog fleegle. Any one that doesn't share your thoughts are wrong? Your blood pressure must be at an unsafe level dude!

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Old 06-21-2003, 04:16 PM   #21 (Print)
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I've been astounded at the Real Sex broadcast occuring at 8 or 9 pm, Pacific Time.

Then it occurred to me, that it is probably being broadcast at 11pm or Midnight, Eastern Time, but the DirecTV transmission hits all the time zones simultaneously. In Hawaii, Real Sex must be showing about Noon!

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Old 06-21-2003, 05:00 PM   #22 (Print)
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Well, I'd consider myself way on the "Conservative" side of the scale, and I don't see the issue. There are v-chip type technologies, easily used. There is the fact that it is a pay channel. And ultimately, there is the fact that if someone doesn't know what their kids are watching at 8pm, they need a brief class on parenting.

Have I seen the show? Nope. Why? I don't have HBO. That's a choice I make, partially because of the content like this. If you have an issue with the programming, then don't subscribe.

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Old 06-21-2003, 06:36 PM   #23 (Print)
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I did see the show and while I wouldn't want a child to see it I do side with the majority here. You don't want your kid to see something, you take the responsibility to see that they don't see it. Don't censor the rest of us.

Anyway, it brought back such fond memories of my trip to Reno and my visit to the infamous Mustang Ranch....

But that was many years ago...I was single....

I'll stop here, just in case some kid starts reading .

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Re: HBO documentary on Nevada Brothel

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This program was on last night in the Mountain time zone at either 8 or 9pm.

It was on the main HBO channel. I'd hate to have seen anybody younger than an 18 year old latch on to this one accidentally.

There were many, more than tittilating sequences the best (worst) was a porn star named Sunset negotiating on a bed with two blue collar guys and eventually offering them a "party" for $3000.

There was another scene of a working girl named air force Amy, clearly nude from the waist down being pleasured by another girl with a large electric vibrator.

With the sole exception of male genitalia, nothing was off limits. There's a web site specifically about the Nevada Brothels that doesn't come anywhere near showing the nudity that this show did.

Shame on HBO for not taking proper precautions about when it aired.


You were not watching the "main" HBO feed. You were watching the East HBO feed.

I think they did take proper precautions. They aired the program at 11:00pm for the east coast. If you were watching the West HBO feed, it would have been on at 12:00 midnight Mountain time.

If you l have kids in the house, maybe you should be watching the HBO feed for your area of the country.
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It's a premium. It is fairly common knowledge that they show pretty much whatever they want whenever they want.

I don't see the issue.

(goes to his TiVo to do a search...)

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Old 06-21-2003, 11:18 PM   #27 (Print)
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Just to explain about time zones, the show is called Cathouse, and it was on in Hawaii at 5:00 pm HST. As a parent, the same goes with TV as the Internet. It is the responsibility of the parent to supervise their children. Neither computers or TV's are babysitters.

As far as the major networks, and those that can be received OTA, I can understand the time it comes on. That's why those networks have local affiliates "rebroadcast" shows at the appropriate time. But that involves the local affiliate. There are no local affiliates for HBO, thus there are no restrictions for premium paid channels. If it does bother you that much, just unsubscribe from HBO.
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What are you talking about? Just about every TV out there now has a V-Chip installed which will filter out shows based on ratings. If someone's TV doesn't have it, the cable box satellit receiver will have that functionality.


Although I agree with the parent monitoring the children, many TV's out there don't have a V-chip. The requirements are: "Pursuant to the Commissionís rules, half of all new television models 13 inches or larger manufactured after July 1, 1999, and all sets 13 inches or larger manufactured after January 1, 2000 must have V-Chip technology."

Many people have TV's that are older than 3-4 years old. Also, many are using the same old cable box, or no cable box, so it isn't an option for all.

But turning the TV off and watching your kids is available everywhere.
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That's the point though. If you want to monitor your kids personally, do that. If you want to use a feature like the v-chip, then buy a new TV (small tvs are cheap enough). It's all about how much involvement you want to put into watching what your kids watch.

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Although I agree with the parent monitoring the children, many TV's out there don't have a V-chip. The requirements are: "Pursuant to the Commissionís rules, half of all new television models 13 inches or larger manufactured after July 1, 1999, and all sets 13 inches or larger manufactured after January 1, 2000 must have V-Chip technology."

Many people have TV's that are older than 3-4 years old. Also, many are using the same old cable box, or no cable box, so it isn't an option for all.

But turning the TV off and watching your kids is available everywhere.


But, in order to get the anything besides HBO Standard (which, in Hawaii, might be a few hours off, so this is geared more towards the contiguous 48), you need to have a dish or digital cable. All boxes like this that I've seen (even the 10 year old ones) have parental controls.

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