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Old 07-13-2004, 08:49 AM   #91 (Print)
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This was my favorite episode so far. Amanda unknowingly adds more to this show than any actor possibly could. This week's shocking eviction ceremony was classic. After Austin sent Ingrid away disgraced for faking her grandfather's death he tells the group "I called and spoke her dead grandfather"... and then Amanda says "that was her other Grandfather." Austin tries to wiggle out of the realization that he just sent her away and dragged her through the mud erroneously... and finally just looks at her as if to say: "oops... oh well let's move on."

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Old 07-13-2004, 09:03 AM   #92 (Print)
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My thought is that Austin will have a 'Change of Heart' and bring Ingrid back in.

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Im thinking its a spoof of the bachlor when he gave the rose to the one girl and it was the wrong one so he took it back

I think austins going to be like i made a mistake i didnt know you had 2 grandfathers

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Old 07-13-2004, 09:07 AM   #93 (Print)
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To that extent, no one would truly know what happens besides Rhett, Ralph or the rest of the cast and crew. I don't think Inundated should have to hide his beliefs behind spoiler tags at all as all we can do is speculate up to this point.

You may be correct if they were the only sources of info. There have been news articles on the matter that have contained spoilers. Some people freak out even thinking about the possible spoilers in a teaser.

Although it seems rare in reality TV, it can be quite possible for people outside the production to discern information. Which brings me back to my simple advice -- if you _know_ about upcoming events, use spoiler tags or leave it out entirely.

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Old 07-13-2004, 09:08 AM   #94 (Print)
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Fine, no spoiler tags...

The promos certainly made it appear that Derek killed the bird. I'm going from memory here, but I remeber Tim asking someone if they killed something. I suppose it could have been the frog, but my memory (which has been known to fail me) says it was the bird. Does anyone else remember this or am I all alone?
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Old 07-13-2004, 09:31 AM   #95 (Print)
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Yeah, I was perhaps a bit overcautious with my own spoiler tag regarding what was a likely plot point (just a guess). But come to think of it, the very name of the next episode could be a major spoiler!
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Old 07-13-2004, 10:42 AM   #96 (Print)
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Im thinking its a spoof of the bachlor when he gave the rose to the one girl and it was the wrong one so he took it back

I think austins going to be like i made a mistake i didnt know you had 2 grandfathers

I think they actually rolled two spoofs into one:

1) The Bachelor rose goof

2) The Survivor dead grandmother stunt

I hated to see Ingrid go, but she wasn't a part of the overall script.

The stress of it all really got to Amanda last night at the Austin's parents dinner scene. She was SO uncomfortable with all of the discussions, and it was hard for ME to watch all that, even knowing it was all fake! It was certainly fun to watch the parents reverse the roles they played as Piper's parents.

Did Amanda not watch any of Porked and Beans? I know she went over to comfort Cammy, but it seemed she was squatted down behind Eleanor or Ingrid so her view of the screen would be blocked.

Best line ever: "It's a shame we had to watch all that.... on such a small screen." Was that scripted or an ad-lib?

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Old 07-13-2004, 10:56 AM   #97 (Print)
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Did Amanda not watch any of Porked and Beans? I know she went over to comfort Cammy, but it seemed she was squatted down behind Eleanor or Ingrid so her view of the screen would be blocked.
You could see the look on her face when she realized that the video Ingrid had told her about would be shown onscreen. She probably didn't want to see it after having been told what it was about. It was hilarious for us viewers, but in the situation, that would have been really tense.
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:06 AM   #98 (Print)
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So if Dallas' son Austin has a son, is he going to name him El Paso, San Antonio, or Houston? Ya gotta love the morsels they pack into this show.

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Old 07-13-2004, 11:10 AM   #99 (Print)
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when exactly does this 2nd sexual revolution start? I better let the wife know now
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:17 AM   #100 (Print)
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I'm more than willing to be the first one on this message board to admit that I was wrong and made a huge mistake and a very big off-prediction, but I'm willing to take that sacrafice.

She's not coming back until the last episode. I will personally kiss Inundated's feet if I am wrong!


JS2 changed the opening to include a shot of Ingrid as the "Schmo Turned Actress." Would they have done that just for one episode? There's a good chance she'll be back, especially if what Amanda said about the grandfather mixup was a story intentionally planted by Ingrid.

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In at least one interview by Ingrid, she did say that she did have some screw ups. Thus, at this point, I don't know whether Ingrid's story about her maternal grandparents living with her parents was intentional or a mistake.
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Old 07-13-2004, 11:25 AM   #101 (Print)
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2) The Survivor dead grandmother stunt


Don't forget the Bachelor with Bob Guiney where one of the bachelorettes (possibly the one that *became* the bachelorette the next season) had a "sorry your grandmother is dead" date. Meredith? They're all starting to run together in my head now.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:05 PM   #102 (Print)
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I was fairly indifferent with this hour. While I love toilet humor and I like my TV very much uncensored (I grew up in Europe after all), I felt it was unnecessary for such an intelligent show to lower itself to the level of that fairly bland game. It just looks like they were trying too hard to attract the spike demographic (wwe) while most likely ignoring what I imagine is the true JS2 demographic (complete guess based on the people I know who watch this show: a very varied group of males and females from mid 20s up to 40s).

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Gotta agree. I'm not a prude (Couldn't be, having loved JSS1) but these games cross the line from good fun to nearly pornographic. I know they have a demographic to please but I think they could have kept the level where it was before and managed to keep those on the fringe (able to overlook the borderline games and enjoy the show anyway). I know it's a tightrope walk but they did it last go-round.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:06 PM   #103 (Print)
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They have to bring her back. She didn't screw up, and they promised her $100,000 if she doesn't screw up. She'll be back.


Or they could pay her the bucks and say she completed the task. But I do think she'll be back.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:16 PM   #104 (Print)
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Thumbs down on evicting Ingrid. I don't say that because she's beautiful, however she is involved in two episodes as an actor, and eventually the final episode and she gets $100,000? I don't think enough was done with her.

I'm definately liking Amanda. I don't think she's stupid at all for not catching on to the whole idea of the show. I like her a lot more than I like Tim, that's for sure, but we'll get to that later. I think she's shown that she's caring and sensitive and not afraid to voice her opinion about what she doesn't feel is right. (The dinner ceremony most prominent.) I would date someone like Amanda in a heartbeat.

Edit: Why was the heart rate game played with models? I don't find it entertaining for the show for them to get buck wild for the game. I think perhaps it was a ploy to have something to include in the Joe Schmo 2 DVD, and while it may be one of it's selling points in the future, I think it was a bit off color for the show. The came could have and should have been played with the house guests only.



I'm starting to wonder if Ingrid wasn't as good at faking it as it appeared to us. Perhaps there were incidents we didn't see when Ingrid's "acting" wasn't up to par and they felt it was too dangerous to keep her on. Her reaction to grandpa's death was pretty unconvincing. She looked like she was smiling while faking tears.

I thought the bit with the models was very odd and out of place. It would have been strange enough with just one Schmo, but when you have TWO (of each sex) the whole thing looked peculiar and must have seemed pretty one-sided to Amanda and Tim. Will there be a male model equivalent? Doubt it. It seemed very strange to have the models compete against the contestants.

Amanda is a gem and I can't believe the final casting selected Ingrid over Amanada. Amanada has a much more expressive face, is more outgoing, and doesn't seem so stand-offish. Unless . . . we are being Schmoed (and perhaps the rest of the cast)? Isn't Amanada too good to be real? Isn't she doing the sorts of things Matt would have done (WWMD?) Is she a plant? I'm highly suspicous of her comment about Ingrid's grandfather.

And, yes, I think Everett is going to bite the dust. The donut did it.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:20 PM   #105 (Print)
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Amanda is a gem and I can't believe the final casting selected Ingrid over Amanada. Amanada has a much more expressive face, is more outgoing, and doesn't seem so stand-offish. Unless . . . we are being Schmoed (and perhaps the rest of the cast)? Isn't Amanada too good to be real? Isn't she doing the sorts of things Matt would have done (WWMD?) Is she a plant? I'm highly suspicous of her comment about Ingrid's grandfather.


I really don't think Amanda is an actress. I just think she's a genuine person. I mean a lot of people thought MKG was an actor last year and we all know how that turned out.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:22 PM   #106 (Print)
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Yep, I thought so.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:22 PM   #107 (Print)
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Regarding spoiler tags, the general (and controversial) practice is to put things from next week's promos into spoiler tags, since some people don't like to watch the promos. For some shows, like 24, this makes a lot of sense, since the promos sometimes give away a plot point that really kills the suspense. Even for Survivor, it's sometimes nice to be surprised by a twist rather than figuring it out in advance.

For JS2, it seems kind of silly, since it's a comedy that doesn't usually rely on suspense. Even if I knew who was going to be evicted, it really wouldn't affect my enjoyment of the show. The worst that might happen is that I might not laugh at a joke I'd already seen on the promos.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:23 PM   #108 (Print)
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The dinner seemed less jovial than last week's. I think Tim was a lot more tactful than Ingrid, but obviously there's a big difference between the two.



Remember, Tim was having to actually complete the task. Ingrid's was scripted.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:29 PM   #109 (Print)
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Just as a general point...

The scenes with the models are never my "favorites". No, not because I don't like looking at "healthy young women"...I do! But because they "take me out" of the JS game. I know they're necessary because of the nature of both the show and the network the show is on. (How are ya gonna keep all them young male wrasslin' fans around, after all?)

But...it just jolts me because I'm seeing more of the models than I'm seeing of the people I'm trying to watch. The scenes seem kind of a toss in... "OK, we have to have near naked young women do sexual things now, to please our 18-30 year old male audience!" (Again, not like I'm personally against having near...well, you know.) The games are certainly "creative" for what they are, with funny names, even, but...



You put it percfectly.
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:54 PM   #110 (Print)
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I really don't think Amanda is an actress. I just think she's a genuine person. I mean a lot of people thought MKG was an actor last year and we all know how that turned out.


I believe she was on "Remember WENN" which only started in 1996, but ran for a few years. She may have joined the cast later.

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From this page, a photo featuring Amanda Naughton (the actress, who seems to have a broadway career):

None of those people look like our Amanda. I don't think The Schmo Amanda is an actress.

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I believe she was on "Remember WENN" which only started in 1996, but ran for a few years. She may have joined the cast later.


A photo of Amanda from WENN can be found:

http://hughogorman.com/Rwenn/wennpix2.htm

Doesn't look like it could be the same person to me.

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None of those people look like our Amanda. I don't think The Schmo Amanda is an actress.


From the historical perspective of similar situations, I don't think there will ever be enough evidence to stop the speculation. "Maybe the producers set up those websites because they knew people would try to look for her!"
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"Maybe the producers set up those websites because they knew people would try to look for her!"


Wasn't there precedence for this .. something about Mark Brunett intentionally leaking the "mistake" on CBSs website that showed Gervase a winner?
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From the historical perspective of similar situations, I don't think there will ever be enough evidence to stop the speculation. "Maybe the producers set up those websites because they knew people would try to look for her!"


I remember all the speculation that Matt was an actor. I was among those who was convinced he was NOT. But this time around, I don't know, something about Amanda is giving me pause. I'm hoping, hoping, hoping she isn't a double-Schmo as I really like her. But . . .
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Old 07-13-2004, 03:13 PM   #116 (Print)
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Amanda is not an actress.

I know some of you won't believe me, and that's fine, but I'd just hate for the rest of you to be concerning yourself with something so off the mark that it might distract you from enjoying some aspect of the show.

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Thank you Ralph for putting an end to this tedious rumor mill.

After all the "Matt is an actor" rumors last season do you honestly think they would try and pull this stunt in season 2? I think the writers of this show are more creative than that.

Big props to the universal "mom and dad" of JSII!! I think they did a fantastic job as both sets of parents and I thought it was hilarious how extremely different they were each time! Especially the dad. I thought he was scary as hell as Austin's dad and creepy as hell as Piper's dad. And funny through the whole act! Fantastic job!

I miss Bryce and I hope we see more of him. Will miss Ingrid too if she doesn't return (which I think she will)

Couple of my predictions:

1. We haven't seen the last of Bryce.

2. Austin will bring back Ingrid and possibly dump the cryer (man she annoys me!)

3. TJ is the next to be eliminated.

4. Gerald turns up the gay to 10 and yet is still picked by Piper to be the love of her life. This would be great just to see Tim's reaction.


And some thoughts...

Amanda seems real enough. But kinda boring and not that good looking. She'd be eliminated very early in a real reality show. Just doesn't seem to add much to the show, IMO. The only reason we notice her is because she's a Schmoe. And even then, she doesn't leave much of an impression on me. She's just too normal for a reality dating show. But I guess that makes her the perfect Shmoe!

I like Tim. I think he's a cool guy and would probably want to hang out with him if I knew him. Sure he's a smartass and all but so are all of my buddies and we are all just a bunch of regular guys so I think he's perfect.

I'm a sucker for the barbie doll type girl and Cammy is just amazing. I could do body shots off her all night. And I'm so jealous of Tim. If she said half the things that I think she said, I would have had to sit there for a while after the contest was over.

Overall, I'm loving this show!! The only show that I'm willing to stay up late to watch on the same night it's on. Hope to see JS3 next summer!

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Regarding last night's episode, I didn't really have a problem with the sexual games, as it gave "Derek" an opportunity to drop many one-liners, not to mention his expression in slo-mo watching the pixelated girls.

"I'm sorry we had to see that...on such a small monitor." Classic.

The best part was the pearl necklace ceremony, though. Amanda's reaction and comments couldn't have been scripted better, and Austin's reaction to the whole 2 grandfathers thing was absolutely priceless. Possibly my favorite moment of the season so far.

Ralph has been my favorite for both seasons, but my wife and I still refer to him as the Smarmy Host. In fact, when we watch any other reality shows, even shows like House Hunters, she'll ask, "Oh, is that (insert show name)'s smarmy host?" The phrase is now a fixture in our TV lexicon. Thanks, Ralph and Rhett and all the others involved, for giving us a great show.

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Amanda is not an actress.

I know some of you won't believe me, and that's fine, but I'd just hate for the rest of you to be concerning yourself with something so off the mark that it might distract you from enjoying some aspect of the show.

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Ralph., you're my hero and favorite cast member.

Below is a side by side comparison to Amanda Naughton (The Actress from Remember WENN) and Joe Schmo 2's Amanda. I'm going to side with Ralph on this one and predict that these are definately NOT the same two people, and that JS's Amanda is indeed legit. The photo itself below should put to rest any doubts. There are similar features, but I think the differences are more than striking as more than enough proof that they are indeed NOT one and the same.


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actually, I could argue that those pictures help the case that it is the same person, even if I don't believe them to be.
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