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Old 01-27-2005, 01:58 PM   #1 (Print)
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BREAKING!!!Directv Announce How MPEG4 Conversion will happen!

BREAKING!!!Directv Announce How MPEG4 Conversion will happen!

Directv announced today that MPEG4 will start at the beginning of 2nd half of the 2005 year. The first markets will benefit first then slowly everyone else who will benefit from MPEG4 HD. Directv also announced that current HD custmers who have HD and will have their HD boxes upgraded at Directv's expense in which they will cover the cost for in 2006! Also Local HD is not only on the agenda, National HD channels will be launched as well!!!

This info came from the Live Conference call today at 1pm
FROM:http://www.satelliteguys.us/showthread.php?p=292054

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Old 01-27-2005, 02:01 PM   #2 (Print)
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Details... we want details... otherwise this is nothing (really) new.
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:05 PM   #3 (Print)
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The big question is upgrade how....

Replace the box with a newer model? Or somehow update the box?

I mean with StandAlone, people chose certain model boxes based on features and compatibility with their other equipment..

Then with the HD-DTivo...... hmm... I hope the details come out soon.

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Old 01-27-2005, 02:07 PM   #4 (Print)
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but is it not good that we now know that we will not have to pay for are HD boxes to be upgraded!
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:09 PM   #5 (Print)
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Yes, that is a nice bit of info.... but details on this are going to be much more useful.

For instance... (not to be a negative ninny.. )
If the replacement is inferior to the HD-TiVo, that will not be cool...
If the replacement can be bought for a lot less than the cost oif HD-TiVo, that will not be cool...

I'd just like to know what they plan on giving us.
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Old 01-27-2005, 02:40 PM   #6 (Print)
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For instance... (not to be a negative ninny.. )

If the replacement can be bought for a lot less than the cost oif HD-TiVo, that will not be cool...


Except for those of us who have not purchased the HD Tivo yet, for us that will be cool.

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Old 01-27-2005, 02:40 PM   #7 (Print)
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What also would be intresting to hear, is how it will effect the National HD feeds.

For example: Here in Chicago, they are in the list to get the MPEG-4 stations in the first round.

I can not recieve WBBM-DT as it at a very bad frequency.
So I use the CBS-E-HD feed for all my CSIs.

If they DON'T role out a replacment HD-DVR right away (if ever), but then turn of the national feed since I can "recieve" my local HD station..

I am hosed..

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Old 01-27-2005, 02:59 PM   #8 (Print)
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So I guess there is no new information. MPEG-4 will start on the new satellite when they lunch it and there is still no replacement for the HR10-250.

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Old 01-27-2005, 03:14 PM   #9 (Print)
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Old 01-27-2005, 03:18 PM   #10 (Print)
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> Directv also announced that current HD custmers who have HD and will have their HD boxes upgraded at Directv's expense in which they will cover the cost for in 2006!

So, MPEG-4 will start in 2005 with an MPEG-4 box. BUT, the upgrade will happen in 2006. I guess they are going to run both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 for a while and slow move people over.

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Old 01-27-2005, 03:36 PM   #11 (Print)
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in listening to the earnings call this afternoon, they were typically vague about a lot of things but here's what I got out of it.

- LIL-HD will require new hardware that is not currently available. The rollout of LIL-HD is directly linked to the new MPEG4 receivers and the new sat's (we already knew that). One of those receivers will be the new Media Center gateway. Both are expected to be available 2nd half of 2005.
- They described initial availability of LIL-HD as being somewhere in the first part of the last half of 2005. Sounds like a muddy way of saying late Q3/early Q4.
- While they were not explicit about it, they gave the impression that most new HD national feeds are going to be MPEG4 only and as a result will require new hardware to support them.
- It sounds like their current goal is to have all HD (local & national) MPEG4 by the end of 2006 which will require all current HD hardware to be swapped out.

When asked about the subscriber base on HD, the answer was that they currently have approx. 500,000 HD subscribers total receiving HD content. They did not note the number of devices involved, just the subscriber count so it's hard to tell exactly how many boxes that means. They did note that they are anticipating some retention costs associated with the hardware transition to provide the more robust platform.
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Old 01-27-2005, 04:00 PM   #12 (Print)
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Caught a few things in first minutes of call that I thought interesting.

Working on Home Media Center box that will be an HD DVR that will feed several TVs, will be wireless enabled, and will be available more on a lease basis than a buy basis.

Thats all for now
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Old 01-27-2005, 04:44 PM   #13 (Print)
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I don't know about you guys, but if the HD Media Center is all it's cracked up to be then I welcome our new NDS overlords.
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Old 01-27-2005, 04:52 PM   #14 (Print)
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...lease basis than a buy basis.


Then we best be getting one HELL of a credit to offset the cost of the $1000 HD-DTivo.

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Old 01-27-2005, 04:58 PM   #15 (Print)
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The main thing I got from the call was that there was no mention of starting HD locals on MPEG-2, and little mention of the HD DVR (except, I think, for the schedule we all know: end of 2005, and we (here) expect it to slip to 2006).

I still can't believe they will start HD locals and not have a DVR to record them for 6 months or longer....

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Old 01-27-2005, 05:03 PM   #16 (Print)
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When the upgrade is done, will you be able to keep your existing receiver? I know it won't work with MPEG-4 encoding, but it should still work for OTA and for SD.

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Old 01-27-2005, 05:06 PM   #17 (Print)
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Jim, that was not covered... there is still no answer as to what the 'replacement' will be. Could be an entirely new box, or could be they will upgrade hardware to existing HD-TiVos...

If I was to speculate... and they provide new boxes, then I would guess they would not want the old HD-TiVos back... what would they do with them...
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Old 01-27-2005, 05:06 PM   #18 (Print)
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Yes, Sateliteguys always has breaking news that isn't so breaking


Actually they are usually about 5 hours to 5 days ahead of AVS, DBS, & TCF. If you have a TiVo this is the place to be. For satellite TV info this forum has been seen to be quite unreliable. In defense ... it is a TiVo forum, not satellite, so why would they have the info.

The one exception being the HD TiVo. Personally I consider migration information to be quite "breaking" as no one had dates before today and most of us do not connect to investor calls.

From the sounds of it they will take care of everyone, if not I'll sign up the the class action lawsuit that I am sure will be started here. I could care less if the replacement is a new 29.00 box as long as i do not lose functionality. I estimate that there are 15,000 HD TiVo owners, which is less than 1% of D* subs and about 1% of HD Pack subs. We are a pretty easy group to walk on until the Federal Judge who hears the case finds out his HD TiVo is a paperweight!

D* has yet to screw me so I'm confident that I'll be happy with their solution as it relates to MPEG4. I am in DMA #18 so I am not expecting that I'll even need to tolerate bugs as the top 12 will. The kinks should be out of the system before I am ever effected.

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Jim, that was not covered... there is still no answer as to what the 'replacement' will be. Could be an entirely new box, or could be they will upgrade hardware to existing HD-TiVos...


I have not seen him mention it here, but I called Robert at VE and he was under the impression from CES that we will be getting the new HMC at the cost of $14.95. Robert would you care to validate?

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Old 01-27-2005, 05:14 PM   #19 (Print)
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would that be $14.95/mo?

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Old 01-27-2005, 05:18 PM   #20 (Print)
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... under the impression ...

Under the impression, and confirmed reality are two different things....
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Under the impression, and confirmed reality are two different things....


Robert is usually in the know. I trust him. As for the other post 14.95 S&H, not /mo.
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Old 01-27-2005, 05:27 PM   #22 (Print)
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Yes, I know Robert has some good conenctions... but it still stands to reason that we only know as much as was mentioned in the Earnings report from today... the details just are not yet available....
Robert might be right, but until I see a PR from D*, I'm not going to be convinced one way or another.
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Old 01-27-2005, 05:44 PM   #23 (Print)
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What also would be intresting to hear, is how it will effect the National HD feeds.

For example: Here in Chicago, they are in the list to get the MPEG-4 stations in the first round.

I can not recieve WBBM-DT as it at a very bad frequency.
So I use the CBS-E-HD feed for all my CSIs.

If they DON'T role out a replacement HD-DVR right away (if ever), but then turn of the national feed since I can "receive" my local HD station..

I am hosed..


My understanding is that you need not be concerned about losing your national feed just because you can receive local HD stations. DirecTV management confirmed with AVS forum members that if you now receive both you will be grandfathered in an need not worry about your national HD being turned off.
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Old 01-27-2005, 05:46 PM   #24 (Print)
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I'd think Robert already posted all he knew, so that almost free HMC is new news and different...

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Old 01-27-2005, 06:07 PM   #25 (Print)
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This link to the same discussion at AVS Forum has been updated with more 'in-depth' info on what was covered in todays earnings hearing from D*...

I don't know about the rest of you, but this all sounds pretty exciting! Can't wait to see more details.
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:21 PM   #26 (Print)
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This confirms what I've been told by the techies at CES. Sometime in late 2005 the conversion will happen with both MPEG 2 & MPEG 4 streams. What could not be answered is how and when they will swap out our existing HD receivers/Tivos. If they are smart, they will simply exhange like for like equipment. I can only see them charging a nominal fee for shipping/handling....period.
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Old 01-27-2005, 06:42 PM   #27 (Print)
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I will be upset to
lose the HD programs I've been archiving
on my HD Tivo.

It would be nice if DirecTV sent out an update
prior to the swapout, enabling us to move
archived stuff to a PC. That would only be fair.

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Old 01-27-2005, 06:53 PM   #28 (Print)
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Excellent Point. I know several of us have priceless archived HD material. I have heard of people actually buying a second HD TIVO because they wanted to save what they already had archived. Perhaps DirecTV will not want the units back? (just proof of ownership, card, etc.)
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Old 01-27-2005, 07:21 PM   #29 (Print)
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I do believe I'll be waiting before I jump on the HDTiVo bandwagon. I was waiting because of cost, but now I'll just have to watch HD "live".

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Old 01-27-2005, 07:24 PM   #30 (Print)
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Quote:
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Maybe I'm the only one, but I will be upset to
lose the HD programs I've been archiving
on my HD Tivo.

It would be nice if DirecTV sent out an update
prior to the swapout, enabling us to move
archived stuff to a PC. That would only be fair.

Steve
TIme to start hacking, I suppose. Of course, without the box, about the only playback alternative would be HTPC.

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