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Old 03-31-2005, 12:55 PM   #121 (Print)
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Do people really believe that the 30-second skip button is going to stay around? Very unlikely, IMHO.

TiVo's pop-up ad revenue is based on how-often users "click" on these pop-ups. So, they'll make less revenue if they leave the 30-second skip feature available.
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Old 03-31-2005, 01:58 PM   #122 (Print)
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Do people really believe that the 30-second skip button is going to stay around? Very unlikely, IMHO.
OTOH, Tivo now has additional incentive to make the traditional 30 sec. spot as innefective as possible. The less effective the 'traditional' spot is, the more able they are to sell their new tags. Ie, while Tivo mave have incentive to remove 30 sec. skip for tagged commercials ... they also have incentive to keep it (and develop better ways of ad skipping) for untagged commercials ...
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:40 PM   #123 (Print)
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OTOH, Tivo now has additional incentive to make the traditional 30 sec. spot as innefective as possible. The less effective the 'traditional' spot is, the more able they are to sell their new tags. Ie, while Tivo mave have incentive to remove 30 sec. skip for tagged commercials ... they also have incentive to keep it (and develop better ways of ad skipping) for untagged commercials ...


skip to next tag , now there's a feature
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:49 PM   #124 (Print)
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I look at Tivo as Satellite Radio. I pay for Sirius cause I want commercial free content and many choices. That choice includes not having ads forced on me.

How would you like it if Itunes started to put commericals into the start and end of every song? Hey, they are a company and need revenue also?

All tivo has to do is give me the option to "opt-out". Make it as complex as you want. Bury it 17 menus deep, required a letter via snail mail..whatever. Just give me the option.

90% of most people won't opt-out. Those hard-core guys like me and many others will. But the 1% they are pissing-off provide over 80% of the support and promote their product.



BIG difference. Sirius licences and sells content. TiVo does not.
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Old 03-31-2005, 05:40 PM   #125 (Print)
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As noted above ... 'Clear' didn't do anything for The Interpreter test / bug.



and as noted above...that was a 'bug'

you dont like it on your screen CLEAR it....
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Old 03-31-2005, 05:55 PM   #126 (Print)
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The bug was that the banner ran over into the actual program. That was the bug.

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Old 03-31-2005, 11:34 PM   #127 (Print)
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Bye bye TiVo.

TiVo is not just done for me. But the company is done. No matter what the fan boys say.

It's all about value proposition. Tivo offered time shifting and the ability to skip ads.

Take away half your value proposition, and you are competing with every device with a hard drive. Not smart.

And try as they may, people don't really care about watching a movie on their cell phone.

DVR's will live on, no doubt about it. But TiVo will not. All it is going to take is a cheaper offering or a company which doesn't sell out and put ads all over it's interface and Tivo is done.

Sure, the competition sucks now, but give them time. They will keep refining and copying Tivo until they get to "good enough." And once they achieve "good enough," Tivo is done.

It's how Microsoft has built an empire. It works. Tivo is going to learn the hard way.
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Old 03-31-2005, 11:42 PM   #128 (Print)
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Overthrow the government?

I just reported you to the FBI. 1-800-Bush-Sucks
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Old 04-01-2005, 02:41 AM   #129 (Print)
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So I guess according to Mr. Shane pixels dont interfere with the service, sluggish Tivo's dont interfere with the service, slow menus dont interfere with the service, popup ads dont interfere with the service and silly CSR's who "dont know" about any real issues - dont interfere with the service...
Did I miss any?? lol

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Nice post. Right to the point.
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Old 04-01-2005, 04:06 AM   #130 (Print)
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Originally Posted by hawk4hire
So I guess according to Mr. Shane pixels dont interfere with the service, sluggish Tivo's dont interfere with the service, slow menus dont interfere with the service, popup ads dont interfere with the service and silly CSR's who "dont know" about any real issues - dont interfere with the service...
Did I miss any?? lol

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Nice post. Right to the point.



Yep. You forgot to add slow/non-existant rebates.
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:05 AM   #131 (Print)
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The banner ads are coming to DirecTV. It was announced today.

DirecTV and TiVo strike new marketing agreement >
Related entries: Home Entertainment



Dizzam, maybe we spoke too soon about TiVo and DirecTV falling out of love. Terms of the deal were not disclosed, but the two companies just signed a new marketing agreement extending their current contract to allow each company to sell and distribute TiVo’s new “advanced advertising capabilities” in DirecTiVo boxes (and you can probably guess what they’re mean by “advanced advertising”). This doesn’t mean that their current marketing agreement will continue on past 2007 (like we said, the terms of the deal were not disclosed), but at least they’re getting along well enough to work something like this out, right?

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Old 04-05-2005, 11:54 AM   #132 (Print)
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Bye bye TiVo.

TiVo is not just done for me. But the company is done. No matter what the fan boys say.

It's all about value proposition. Tivo offered time shifting and the ability to skip ads.

Take away half your value proposition, and you are competing with every device with a hard drive. Not smart.


I must say it's amazing to follow this issue. Let's get real. The real benefit of skipping commercials with Tivo is that you can get to the show faster. That will not change one iota with these new billboards (implemented correctly - absolutely horrible screw up for this to come out like it did). The argument that now the ads are getting "shoved down our throats" really is silly. Honestly, what is the difference between an ad going by at FF speed and that same ad with a static picture over it. Claiming that that takes away any part of the "value proposition" is, frankly, laughable. Ironically, I'm like some others in that lots of time I'm interested in the commercial whizzing by in FF and I bet there will be times when the new static ad covers up stuff I actually want to see in the ad. Now, complaining about that would make sense.

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Old 04-05-2005, 12:01 PM   #133 (Print)
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I must say it's amazing to follow this issue. Let's get real. The real benefit of skipping commercials with Tivo is that you can get to the show faster. That will not change one iota with these new billboards (implemented correctly - absolutely horrible screw up for this to come out like it did). The argument that now the ads are getting "shoved down our throats" really is silly. Honestly, what is the difference between an ad going by at FF speed and that same ad with a static picture over it. Claiming that that takes away any part of the "value proposition" is, frankly, laughable. Ironically, I'm like some others in that lots of time I'm interested in the commercial whizzing by in FF and I bet there will be times when the new static ad covers up stuff I actually want to see in the ad. Now, complaining about that would make sense.


So people can't have an opinion unless it is the same as yours?

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Old 04-05-2005, 01:14 PM   #134 (Print)
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So people can't have an opinion unless it is the same as yours?

Of course they can. What makes you think I think they can't? I'm just disagreeing with some opinions while agreeing with others. So I can't disagree with anyone's opinion?

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Old 04-05-2005, 01:18 PM   #135 (Print)
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Of course they can. What makes you think I think they can't? I'm just disagreeing with some opinions while agreeing with others. So I can't disagree with anyone's opinion?


Of course you can. What makes you think that I think that you think that they think that I think that you think that, ummm.. nevermind. hahaha.


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Old 04-05-2005, 04:38 PM   #136 (Print)
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Seriously though, Wingman's right on here in MY OPINION . This in no way affects my viewing. I'm still FF'ing thru commercials, there's just an image over part of the screen instead of speedy jumpy screen grabs. If you were forced to slow the FF down to see the image longer or forced to watch the commercials in a way that slowed down getting back to the program you're watching, THEN there would be every reason to scream from the rooftops. That is, however, not the case. It's an image over stuff you were not watching anyway getting back to the program. It's crap I'll ignore over crap I'll ignore. Who cares. I say, good for Tivo. Let em earn a few bucks. Doesn't bother me in the least. I find complaining about this nearly as silly as complaining about yellow stars, it's probably a toss-up.

My opinion. That is all. No, I'm not saying you can't have yours, for the love of God.

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Old 04-05-2005, 06:04 PM   #137 (Print)
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hawk4hire first mentioned the Viagra ads and effects on a 4-year-old. This is more about parenting than pop-ups (and a topic for the Coffee House). Viagra doesn't advertise during the shows that 4-year-olds should be watching. :-)


4 year olds shouldn't be allowed to watch football games?

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Old 04-05-2005, 06:31 PM   #138 (Print)
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That's a person's parental decision. Knowing what a child might be exposed to while watching a game on TV, it's the parent's choice to let them watch it or not. But you can bet that they don't advertise Power Rangers during NFL football.
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:17 PM   #139 (Print)
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Is this close enough to Hitler to invoke Godwin's Law? Can this thread die now?


Unfortunately this isn't Usenet (this would all be SO much easier to read if you people just used alt.video.ptv.tivo), so Godwin's law doesn't apply.
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Old 04-05-2005, 09:49 PM   #140 (Print)
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You guys are a bunch of babies. I am sure they are working on software patches to fix the known bugs (pixels, etc.).


They won't even acknowledge it as a real problem. Only that "a small percent of users are experiencing it". If they came out & said, yes some people have it, and we are working on it, great.

But they don't.

I still love my TiVo. Miles better than anything out there. But it no longer qualifies for sainthood.
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Old 04-06-2005, 06:04 AM   #141 (Print)
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They won't even acknowledge it as a real problem. Only that "a small percent of users are experiencing it". If they came out & said, yes some people have it, and we are working on it, great.

Maybe true for you but when they say its a problem there are going to be a dozen threads here complaining that TiVo knows about the problems and are doing diddly about it!

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Old 04-06-2005, 06:22 AM   #142 (Print)
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Maybe true for you but when they say its a problem there are going to be a dozen threads here complaining that TiVo knows about the problems and are doing diddly about it!

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And your point is?
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Old 04-06-2005, 02:04 PM   #143 (Print)
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And your point is?
Sigh, my point is that it seemed to me that Astrohip was saying that TiVo saying something would stop the criticism and I believe he is mistaken.

What's your point?

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Old 04-06-2005, 02:10 PM   #144 (Print)
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They didnt acknowledge the popup snafu and there were still tons of threads... successful companies are proactive when it comes to their clients. They know clients dont like BAD surprises or they wont be clients - or worse they will tell other potential clients.
Tivo is behind the curve when telling people - oppss we goofed, or hey sorry 7.x is a problem but we are fixing it, or not telling the people they "chose" to place the ads on their Tivo's and then surprising them when it didnt work.
Tivo as a system and as a company are really good - the company needs a lot of work and they need to fix the Tivo system. But I still love my Tivo - dislike 7.x - lol

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Old 04-06-2005, 02:16 PM   #145 (Print)
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They didnt acknowledge the popup snafu and there were still tons of threads...


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Based on reports that the Fast Forward Tag for The Interpreter was displaying in places other than over the commercial for that movie, we have published a new version of that tag that is fully transparent (invisible). You can force a connection to the TiVo Service to download the updated tag. This will cause the errant tags to "disappear" from previously recorded programs as well as any future broadcasts that include that tag. We will not use any other tags until we are confident that they will display correctly.

We apologize for the confusion and inconvenience that this caused some customers. As I noted earlier in the thread, the tags are designed to be displayed only over a commercial, and only over a commercial for the product include in the tag. Additional information about these tags can be found in this article on our support site.


... and others...
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Old 04-06-2005, 03:05 PM   #146 (Print)
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David - let me clarify - they didnt acknowledge before all of the complaints/threads started here. But that might not have happened if Tivo had told people what they were doing and then asked them to contact Tivo on a special # if there were problems.
Bills acknowledgment is only here - after all the complaints here - but it wasnt until later that Tivo acknowledged the problem. All I meant was that IF Tivo let clients know they were experimenting on us FIRST - then there might not be as many complaints.

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Old 04-06-2005, 03:49 PM   #147 (Print)
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These billboards have been discussed here for some time. I don't think that the bug was known until we saw it. As for calling them on the phone or posting here, I prefer posting here myself. (Both when I have a problem and so I can to be nosey about someone else's )
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