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Old 04-07-2005, 10:04 AM   #91 (Print)
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Who did he rape?


Don't you mean, who did he have consensual sex with who later decided to cry rape in order to get some of his millions?


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Old 04-07-2005, 10:07 AM   #92 (Print)
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Another un-asked for opinion from the Fish Man:

Hurley says "Goth". Clearly. No. Question. About. It.
Of course he does. Gaunt wouldn't be the least bit funny, whereas Goth is a typical wry Hurly line.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:09 AM   #93 (Print)
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Helava stretch.

Sounds like the kind of thinking of those people who sue doctors for malpractice when they can't pull a miracle out of their butt and heal a person who's truly hopelessly sick or injured by the time the doctor first sees them.

That was the case here.

There was no hope. None, whatsoever.

It was an opportunity for emotional growth for Jack to accept that, and "let go."

As to who's "fault" it was: It was no one's fault.

It was an unfortunate accident. Errs of judgement on the parts of both Locke and Boone led to the accident, but it was really no one's "fault".

Locke is somewhat of a jerk for not disclosing more details, though. Not that doing so would have allowed Jack to save Boone, but Locke's concealment casts a cloud of suspicion on himself.


Not a stretch at all. As a doctor Jack should know how to diagnose a injury correctly and not rely on a lay person for correct information.

As for this statement “Sounds like the kind of thinking of those people who sue doctors for malpractice when they can't pull a miracle out of their butt and heal a person who's truly hopelessly sick or injured by the time the doctor first sees them.”

That is a Helava stretch: Sounds like the kind of person who thinks they can read another persons mind.

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:10 AM   #94 (Print)
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Don't you mean, who did he have consensual sex with who later decided to cry rape in order to get some of his millions?



Uh, yeah... Next he'll find a 10 karat diamond in the hatch and give it to Shannon as an apology.

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:12 AM   #95 (Print)
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Other items I have no idea what they mean:

1) Jack's wife had the number 44 on her shirt when talking with him at the piano.
I believe the 44 is the highest she ever scored in bowling at Stuckey Bowl.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:12 AM   #96 (Print)
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The more I look at it, I don't think Locke knowingly "sacrificed" Boone to the island. He made a call (delusion or not), and Boone did the grunt work and paid for it. Common sense should have said "hey let's go get a couple more guys, rope the tail to steady the plane, and check it out"... but no, they were secretive and hopefully Locke will realize that he needs to learn to share now.

"Goth", totally. Though I'll wait for somebody to snip it, transfer it to an mp3, and play it back in slo-mo

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:12 AM   #97 (Print)
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Great episode, and I believe Locke withholding of information led to Boone's death. Next episode I imagine they fight and Locke has to realize that he is going over the edge and has to come back. I think he started to lose it when it legs started to fail him last week. He really was panicking.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:26 AM   #98 (Print)
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Who did he rape?


I meant Locke/Kobe not being a team player, doing everything by himself. But of course, you knew that but decided to take it to a different level.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:26 AM   #99 (Print)
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The more I look at it, I don't think Locke knowingly "sacrificed" Boone to the island. He made a call (delusion or not), and Boone did the grunt work and paid for it. Common sense should have said "hey let's go get a couple more guys, rope the tail to steady the plane, and check it out"... but no, they were secretive and hopefully Locke will realize that he needs to learn to share now.


Except that in Locke's vision/dream, he sees Boone with a head wound, covered in blood. And he decides to follow the "instructions" of the island anyway. He might not have known that Boone would die, but he probably knew he was putting Boone in danger. At the very least, I'd say it's manslaughter. And conspiracy with intent (although I don't know the legalities of that when the "other" is a supernatural islandic force).

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:27 AM   #100 (Print)
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I meant Locke/Kobe not being a team player, doing everything by himself. But of course, you knew that but decided to take it to a different level.

I thought the smiley face implied a joke...

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:28 AM   #101 (Print)
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Why are we assuming that Rousseau killed her shipwrecked mates? Are we going to believe the crazy battery lady?


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Old 04-07-2005, 10:34 AM   #102 (Print)
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Can somebody get a screenshot of Jack when he's talking with Jin (the lady)? I specifically remember him NOT having the necklace with the key on it to the guns.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:35 AM   #103 (Print)
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Except that in Locke's vision/dream, he sees Boone with a head wound, covered in blood. And he decides to follow the "instructions" of the island anyway. He might not have known that Boone would die, but he probably knew he was putting Boone in danger. At the very least, I'd say it's manslaughter. And conspiracy with intent (although I don't know the legalities of that when the "other" is a supernatural islandic force).

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Did he know it was dangerous? Sure. And so did Boone. He didn't try to get out when the plane started to shift and Locke was yelling for him to get out. Murder, or even manslaughter? No.

Other people have been having dreams and visions, and they haven't always been taken as prophecies. Boone saw Shannon lying dead and bloody in a creek, Claire saw the bloody crib sheets in her dream. I don't think there was any intent to get Boone hurt.

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:40 AM   #104 (Print)
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Can somebody get a screenshot of Jack when he's talking with Jin (the lady)? I specifically remember him NOT having the necklace with the key on it to the guns.


Is it just that scene? He clearly has it at the end of the episode.


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Old 04-07-2005, 10:42 AM   #105 (Print)
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Can somebody get a screenshot of Jack when he's talking with Jin (the lady)? I specifically remember him NOT having the necklace with the key on it to the guns.


Actually, this is from a scene with Sun. Looks like he had it the whole time.


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Old 04-07-2005, 10:42 AM   #106 (Print)
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hmm...guess I was wrong. I thought I noticed that his necklace was missing but it's obviously right there.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:44 AM   #107 (Print)
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Anyone else notice the baby wrapped in the black and white cloth at the end?



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Old 04-07-2005, 10:46 AM   #108 (Print)
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Can't take credit for this since I read it on another board.

Boone really WAS the "redshirt". Foreshadowed many episodes ago.



I've had this in the back of my mind since last week when Boone's survival was in question. I remembered right away the redshirt discussion. I believe it was even boon who brought up the whole redshirt thing to begin with. He was afraid he was it (I think he WAS even wearing a red shirt at the time).

Sad to see him go.
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Old 04-07-2005, 10:49 AM   #109 (Print)
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OK, the morning is a good time to stretch, so...

here's a picture of the happy young couple at the piano...



The 44 is prominently displayed on a black and white T-shirt.

And they are playing a piano...what color are the keys? Why yes, they're black and white!

And if you take the number of keys on a piano (88) that's double the 44 on the shirt! OK, I don't know what the hell that means, just an observation...

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Old 04-07-2005, 10:59 AM   #110 (Print)
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Who else thought Jack was going to bolt from the altar? That was a nice twist they did there.

The look and shaking of the head that Jin did when Charlie was about to rush in during the delivery was GREAT.

Jack yelling at Hurley when he thought he was going to faint was funny too.


Where's the black lady that Jack was sitting next to on the plane? I haven't seen her since she was comforting Charlie. It seems that the group could really use her about not.


Rose will be back. She has been casted in a play.

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Old 04-07-2005, 11:03 AM   #111 (Print)
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Jack blames Locke for Boone's death because Locke lied about what caused Boone's injuries (he didn't fall off a cliff, he was crushed by the wreckage), and as a result Jack did not treat Boone correctly.
Bingo! That's what I thought as well. I seem to arrive to these threads after everyone has explained all of the good stuff.
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:04 AM   #112 (Print)
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Rose will be back. She has been casted in a play.

Casted?

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Old 04-07-2005, 11:04 AM   #113 (Print)
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Now that Claire's finally had the baby, how long before we get to see Emilie De Ravin in one of Shannon's bikinis?
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Now that Claire's finally had the baby, how long before we get to see Emilie De Ravin in one of Shannon's bikinis?


yes please!
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:07 AM   #115 (Print)
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I'd say that's Airline Blanket Blue, not black.
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:09 AM   #116 (Print)
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Anybody consider that Locke was faking his legs giving out so Boone had to go into the plane? If Boone didn't think Locke could climb he'd have to go into the plane.
We know Locke felt like he do something for the island, he kept saying that he's done everything it's asked of him. Not sure what else he had to do.
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:09 AM   #117 (Print)
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Did he know it was dangerous? Sure. And so did Boone. He didn't try to get out when the plane started to shift and Locke was yelling for him to get out. Murder, or even manslaughter? No.

Other people have been having dreams and visions, and they haven't always been taken as prophecies. Boone saw Shannon lying dead and bloody in a creek, Claire saw the bloody crib sheets in her dream. I don't think there was any intent to get Boone hurt.


Yeah, it's shady... not very clear cut. And of course, Jack doesn't know anything at all about the dream/vision... he just knows Locke split once Boone was delivered.

The only difference I see between Locke's dream and everyone else's dreams is that Locke seems to be understanding what the dreams are telling him to do - he knew from that vision that a plane had crashed and where to go look for it. How did he get there from that? I don't know... I think it comes down to an unknown for us - DID Locke know from the vision that Boone would be injured by the mission the island was sending him on? Maybe we'll find out more in the next episode...

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Old 04-07-2005, 11:11 AM   #118 (Print)
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I'm coming here late - hope this hasn't been posted elsewhere in the previous 6 pages.

This week's Entertainment Weekly will have a major feature on LOST, along with the cover photo. This week's issue number? 815!

Creepy.
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Old 04-07-2005, 11:12 AM   #119 (Print)
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Yup,

Claire gave birth to a wet, but otherwise clean 4 week old baby!

Typical network TV birth scene in that respect.

Considering how long she'd been pregnant, maybe it's not all that surprising that her baby was 4-weeks old when born.

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Old 04-07-2005, 11:15 AM   #120 (Print)
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Hurley didn't say "gaunt" NOR did he say "goth" .. he clearly said "No, WE'RE the survivors ..."

The episode itself didn't have a lot to it, and I assume that was intentional because the two things that it did have were ridiculously major (what's bigger than birth and death?). I agree that Jack's backstory was minimal, and obviously we were being manipulated into assuming the wedding doesn't happen since we've never heard of this wife before.

Is it me, or is Sun really getting pushed into the spotlight? I almost feel like she's being set up as the de facto leader after Jack either loses it or possibly even dies.
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