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View Poll Results: TC-Con'06 - Where should it be held?
Vegas, Baby - (Again) 61 41.50%
Orlando 20 13.61%
New Orleans 23 15.65%
Other (Please specify in a post) 26 17.69%
Land Convention/Cruise after combo 17 11.56%
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Old 06-16-2005, 10:02 AM   #31 (Print)
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Hmmm, Chicago...checks finances....that would be infinitely more doable! I've only been here 3+ years and there are still a million places I've not been. If I wasn't an hour from downtown, I could even host something!

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Hmmm, Chicago...checks finances....that would be infinitely more doable! I've only been here 3+ years and there are still a million places I've not been. If I wasn't an hour from downtown, I could even host something!

Hear me now and believe me later. You don't want 70-80+ people tromping through your house... heh

At least I wouldn't... heh

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Put me in as another vote for Chicago. Could even plan it around a baseball game so that everyone can see beautiful Wrigley Field.
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I did not go last year, and when the 05 con was being discussed, I was not too fond of Vegas, since I don't gamble, and it is expensive to get there (if I had not had barely enough miles to get a free ticket, I may not have gone).

But now, I think that the most critical factor is that the place has a lot to do in a small area (preferably within the hotel). I did a lot of mingling by just walking around and bumping into people. In the lobby, walking around, in the bars, whatever. Everybody was there, and it was easy to find them. If we choose a location that is spread out, or where you have to go to different places to do different things (gamble, go "out" to eat, bar, etc.) you will lose that, and I think the con would suffer greatly if that happens. Maybe not so much to the "regulars" that know each other, but certainly for the newbies that are there for the first time.

So while I LOVE the thought of doing something closer to home, I think the location/facilities/layout are the most critical factor.


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Old 06-16-2005, 10:13 AM   #35 (Print)
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Hear me now and believe me later. You don't want 70-80+ people tromping through your house... heh

At least I wouldn't... heh


I actually love playing host! I get all crazy about getting everything ready, but then the alcohol starts flowing and then I'm a social butterfly. 2 weeks ago, we had 50 + people over just for my son's baptism.

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I actually love playing host! I get all crazy about getting everything ready, but then the alcohol starts flowing and then I'm a social butterfly. 2 weeks ago, we had 50 + people over just for my son's baptism.

Start with a mini-meet and then go from there...

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Why permanently exclude them from attending?


I wouldn't state it quite so strongly. No one is out to 'permanently exclude' anyone.

I think what happens is a simple majority makes the decision.
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Old 06-16-2005, 10:42 AM   #39 (Print)
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I wouldn't state it quite so strongly. No one is out to 'permanently exclude' anyone.

I think what happens is a simple majority makes the decision.

Exactly. It isn't about excluding anyone, it's about getting the most people there. And, that involves having the most things available to do. Now, I would suggest that if you're saying that Chicago has more things available to do than Vegas does, respectfully, you're crazy. Are there lots to do in Chicago? Absolutely - nobody could argue against that. But destinations have a pretty big distance between them (as opposed to the destinations in Vegas).

I think the biggest opportunity for the largest turnout happens to be Vegas.

But again, let's keep this at the discussion level and keep any decisions months away...

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My attitude: if it's in Vegas next year, I'll still go, but my preference is to do something different - I think I'd get burned out on going there every year. New Orleans and Chicago both have some appeal. New York kind of scares me at this point.

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Old 06-16-2005, 10:47 AM   #41 (Print)
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Well, I haven't made a con yet and only been to one meet so far but I voted Vegas. That location probably has the best chance of convince my wife we should go since I can bribe her with tickets to the various Cirque shows.

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Old 06-16-2005, 10:52 AM   #42 (Print)
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I don't care where it is, I'll be there.

But I think Vegas does hold a lot of advantages that other locations don't.

And I'm willing to help plan next years Con.
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I do have to concur that Vegas has just about every place I've ever been beat on attractions. And the thing I thought was greatest about it was that there is a ton of stuff to be done all under one roof. NYNY had at least 6 different restaraunts, from Chinese and Italian to a steakhouse to burgers and fries. There were a million little place to visit and sit, have a drink, see a show, people watch, gamble (if you want) and they were all under one roof. I can't tell you how many people I ran into, at all hours of the day and night, without ever stepping foot outside. I think that's the one big card Vegas has over anywhere else.

That being said, you name the place and I'll be there. The Con is all about the people for me. I would book a room in the Siberia Hilton if that's where everyone is going to be.

But as others have said, maximizing attendence is the key. And if the best place for that turns out to be Vegas again, then so be it. Please don't just dismiss the Con out of hand because of it. It's just a city and it's like any other. It is what you make of it. You do what you want. No one holds a gun to your head to gamble, drink, etc. Ask every single one of the 70+ people that went to the Con and I'm sure you'll get 70+ different stories of what they did.
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Old 06-16-2005, 10:55 AM   #44 (Print)
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I can't change my vote.. but I think Chicago would work better.. and I too think we should vary it a bit for a year, and then back to vegas for 2007. Besides, it just so happens that I'm going to be in Chicago next June 15th-18th (for the Bi-Annual Delorean Car Show 2006), so if the Con is the same as the last two years (say, June 9-14), that would be just perfect for me. And I'd have my car there, too,

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Ok then, I feel so bad for even suggesting AC. I did say I don't know anything about it.

So AC is out, please excuse the mention.

Now back to the 'discussion'.

Eddy you made great observations! I do not gamble. Last year I think I put about $1 into a slot machine. This year not even a .01. And yeah, there are penny slots there that do get used!

It's not about the gambling guys, it's about a compact area with lots to do. Does that eliminate everything but Vegas, I doubt it. But lets not lose site of that.

It really is unfortunate they don't have a way to get on and off ships for shorter stays. I never thought of Vegas as a ship in the dessert, but that description sort of works in this context.

I think that although Kevin started this as a poll, it really needs to be a discussion. After that a poll with better options can be redone.
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I don't care where it is, I'll be there.

But I think Vegas does hold a lot of advantages that other locations don't.

And I'm willing to help plan next years Con.



I agree ... but I do like the thought of Chicago.

When it all boils down to it if we have a plenty places to sleep, a big gathering room, food, friends and drink I think we can keep each other occupied! ! !

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE ...
There are many destinations that could be ideal.
Pheasant Run Resort (which is like 1 mile from my house!) Has a theatre, a golf course, a comedy club, a few restaurants, a spa, a pool, plenty of rooms, a convention hall, is close to the Fox River area which offers shopping, fishing, boat rides, mini-golf. The train is not too far away which offers the opportunity to explire downtown Chicago.

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I'm not sure I have a horse in this race, since I attended '04 and didn't make it this year, for various reasons.

If I go next year, I'll go wherever it is. I would personally not *prefer* Vegas, but if that's where it is, that's where I'd go. (It'd be kind of silly to go somewhere where the Con isn't. ) But I recognize that if it stays there, some folks will never go.

Chicago would be extremely convenient for me (5-ish hour drive, and everyone knows I do those without even blinking an eye), but I don't know how it'd fit what normally happens at a Con, or if it's too far spread out to work.

One note about Montreal (intriguing idea): It IS in a foreign country, remember. Some might consider that a hassle either financially or otherwise (I don't, personally). And that'd basically dump the planning for it on poor Francesco, whether he wants to or not.

I just have a feeling that it'll end up being Vegas again in '06. And I'm fine with that, if that's where it lands. And I might even go next year. AirTran has non-stop flights from here to there now, starting in August...
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Old 06-16-2005, 11:20 AM   #48 (Print)
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I agree ... but I do like the thought of Chicago.

When it all boils down to it if we have a plenty places to sleep, a big gathering room, food, friends and drink I think we can keep each other occupied! ! !

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE ...
There are many destinations that could be ideal.
Pheasant Run Resort (which is like 1 mile from my house!) Has a theatre, a golf course, a comedy club, a few restaurants, a spa, a pool, plenty of rooms, a convention hall, is close to the Fox River area which offers shopping, fishing, boat rides, mini-golf. The train is not too far away which offers the opportunity to explire downtown Chicago.


See - this is kind of my point. The "everything is available right there" atmosphere is not necessarily a function of Vegas. It's a function of good event planning. In a place with good public transportation, even having individual events happening farther from the convention hotel is not a big deal - heck, piling on to the El with 75 of my closest friends would be a fun experience in and of itself.

With a decent-sized block of rooms, it probably wouldn't be difficult at all to get a good hotel in Chicago to throw in a free meeting room that could be kept available (and stocked) pretty much 24-7 as a central meeting place. That kind of thing isn't so easy in Vegas - ask Hippster and Skittles what it took to get a room for short periods of time for drinklink and the Con. Vegas hotels invoke all kinds of food/drink minimums before making those things available. That kind of thing is less common in other places.

I'll shut up now, as I don't want my voice to start sounding too shrill (and I apologize if my "excluding" comment has already made it sound that way). I just hope that people will consider this from the broader perspective. I know that it's just a matter of the majority making a choice, and there's no intent to exclude anyone. But intent or not, exclusion is the effect if the Con keeps going to Vegas every year. It's just too expensive for some, and the requirement that it happen during the week in Vegas excludes others. It's just reality.
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Old 06-16-2005, 11:22 AM   #49 (Print)
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Moving the con to another venue may be one of those "see, it wasn't so bad" epiphanies. Of course, only one way to find out.

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No one holds a gun to your head to gamble, drink, etc. Ask every single one of the 70+ people that went to the Con and I'm sure you'll get 70+ different stories of what they did.

Actually, I think Tenacious told his mother (and everyone else on the tram) that I held a gun to his head and made him get drunk...

I'm wondering when the ATF/FBI will start knocking on my door...

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Gonna stick my neck out just once.

Lots of good replies here, but I keep reading about how nice it would be if it were at so and so because it would make it really affordable/doable for you.

It's not about any one person. It's about finding a place that will provide the basic foundation that's IMHO been very key in the success of Cons I & II. There's several posts describing those features. Can we try to focus the discussion on that, and not how cheaply you'll personally be able to attend?
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See - this is kind of my point. The "everything is available right there" atmosphere is not necessarily a function of Vegas. It's a function of good event planning. In a place with good public transportation, even having individual events happening farther from the convention hotel is not a big deal - heck, piling on to the El with 75 of my closest friends would be a fun experience in and of itself.

I think Ding hit it best when he said we never had to leave the hotel - with 6 restaurants (as well as tiny fast-food type places), there was so much to do just there.

Another thing to consider would be the weather. You can pretty much tell what the weather is gonna be in Vegas. Warm and sunny. Might even get to "hot and sunny" with the occasional "really hot and sunny". Can you tell what type of weather Chicago will have? Hell, it could change at a moments notice...

How about New Orleans? Wasn't there a tropical storm/hurricane there just a week or two ago? Would probably suck to golf/mini-golf/fishing/boat rides/explore downtown Chi-town if the weather is stiflingly humid or thunderstorming. *shrug*

It is about meeting the people, however. Last year, it was more about going to Vegas. This year, Vegas happened to be the backdrop for meeting people. Perhaps now, with the 3rd year, we could attempt to move the location to see if it's a fluke that people will come simply to see the others... *shrug*

Chicago is central enough, but for all the "east-coasters" that complain about Vegas being so far away, Chicago is going to be the same for the west-coasters.

I suppose once the decision gets made, we'll find out where the rubber meets the road...

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I missed this year, but last year I swallowed my Vegas-inspired bile and went anyway, just to meet the TCFpeeps. (I'd previously refused to attend two bachelor parties in Vegas, solely because of my dislike for the place. I told my much-offended friends, "dude, ANYwhere but Vegas!") I had a GREAT time, and was disappointed that this year's con just didn't fit in to my family's schedule this year.

(As it happened I was on the couch all weekend with a wicked cold, but that's life for you.)

I think any con location should be in a big AIRLINE city. A city which is a major airline hub or destination, which then offers easy access from a number of airlines, a lot of direct flights and therefore a relatively cheap destination from most anywhere. There aren't many cities that fit that bill.

For example, I can fly to NYC or Orlando easily enough, but it'll require at least one stop and that adds cost. I dearly love New Orleans and would go to a con there in a heartbeat, but it's not a primary airline city -- pretty much anyone flying will need a layover somewhere.

I think there are only three cities that fit these needs: Vegas, Chicago and Dallas.

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Lots of good thoughts here, and lots of conjecture. It might be worth a few phone calls to various venues to see what they would be willing to do, as opposed to guessing what they might do. One problem with some cities is that if the weekends are cheap, the weekdays might be fairly expensive, and what's a nice hotel room for the price in one town might be a fleabag in another.

I'd like to be able to walk out of my hotel, get to fun things quickly, either by cab or tram. I don't necessarily want to rent a car, or have to ride a train for 30 minutes to get somewhere. (About how long it took for the monorail to get to the Hilton from MGM is about right).

I also think picking an area for one group's convenience is wrong. The idea is to get as many people as possible there. Interesting that no other Western sites (SF? SD?) have been mentioned as possibilities.

One thing I missed having this year in Vegas was the hospitality suite. It was nice last year to have a place that we could hang out and meet. I think we need more places to meet, and less planned things to do. I know I over-scheduled at least 2 days and created some very long days for myself. Not that it's all bad, but I didn't really have any free time until Thursday, my own fault.

So without mentioning cities, what's important to you for the Con?
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So without mentioning cities, what's important to you for the Con?

#1 is people actually showing up.

then in no particular order:
Events (large-group dinner(s) and bar nights).
Closeness of events in relationship to the "main" hotel.
Ease of transportation to said events.
Cost of said events.
Weather.

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I agree ... but I do like the thought of Chicago.
THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE ...
There are many destinations that could be ideal.
Pheasant Run Resort (which is like 1 mile from my house!) .


Ok, this is just too funny that you mention Pheasant Run, since that's where our Delorean Car show is!! So, as SueAnn says, to gather EXAMPLE INFO ONLY, I just called the guy who runs the car show (our shows are 600+ people plus 125+ cars), so he really knows how to run shows like this and large groups. I asked him about Pheasant Run for a group our size (I guessed 75 to 100 people), and he thinks PR is a great place for a group our size.

Here are some additional quick facts in no particular order:

- They have plenty of meeting rooms for groups our size
- Hotel rooms (for the car show) are $115, $119, $129, $139, and $149 per night depending on building, size, tower, etc.
- They can do full catering meals/dinners for something between $35-$45 per person
- Downtown Chicago is 20 minutes by train (very easy), 45 minutes by car
- He's pretty sure they are pretty open the week we would be looking at (certainly not the next week, since they are hosting both or Delorean show and the national Corvette show at the same time).
- Easy reach to O’Hare and Midway
- Here's a link to their website: http://www.pheasantrun.com/

Anyway, the Chicago weather issues aside, a place like this, I think would work well for the TC-Con. And I'm really not saying that for selfish reasons. Really.

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I wish I could vote twice......

I think New Orleans is a good choice, due to the fact that the French Quarter has a lot to do in a close area. There is the river walk, historic tours, jackson square, etc. The one thing about the con in Vegas, however, is the fact that there is LOADS to do in the lobby. I don't know of many places where that is the case. It's also a 24 hour lobby, so there is always something to do no matter the time of day. I know there is a casino in NO (Harrah's), where this might make a good place to have the con.

I've been to NYC. I had an INCREDIBLE time there. However, one of the best things about the con was the ability to run into someone at any time of day in the lobby of the hotel. Not so much on the strip. We had planned events outside the strip, so we had a group to go with, but never just ran into someone we knew on the strip. I'm afraid this will happen in a place like NYC or Chicago. You'll have to plan virtually any event if you want to do it with someone, versus alone. Let me give you an example. We decided to go to the Cheesecake Factory. Maui and I had planned on doing this together, so it was going to be 3 of us. Then, it ended up becoming 8 of us, and we had a great time. The 8 became an impromptu event, that we might not have been able to do, if we weren't running into each other in various locations.

That's not to say that NYC or Chicago won't make good vacations. But what I think it will become is a personal vacation with the con in the middle of it somewhere. I'm afraid it won't be as much of a group event that way. I think the only time we're going to get to spend with other people besides your own little clique would be at the con itself, and with 80 people roaming around, it might not be so fun due to the minimal amount of time spent with each person.

My thoughts are that Vegas will work, again. I know people will get bored with Vegas, and I understand that. I still haven't seen a show during the con. Next year, Ave Q should be there. And, of course, for us, Vegas is driving distance, so it's cheaper for us to go. I'm trying hard not to make that count in my decision. I think that NO has a lot to do in a close area, so even if you aren't in the hotel, you may have better odds of running into someone you know, than NYC.

My preference order, I guess would be
NO-Vegas = tie.
Orlando-other = tie

Orlando would be fun for a family vacation. I know many people would want to bring their families. However, I am one of those people that wants to have an adult event or a family event, not try to find a way to figure out both. And if it's a family event, we probably couldn't/wouldn't come, due to my son's issues (he doesn't do well in large groups).

One thing that we haven't really discussed is a beach vacation. Hot sand, alcohol, dancing....even if there wasn't stuff immediately close to the hotel, the hotels always have stuff to do.

Or.....we could just pick a goofy location like Niagara Falls and do the wonderfalls thing.

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Originally Posted by Agatha Mystery
I'm afraid this will happen in a place like NYC or Chicago. You'll have to plan virtually any event if you want to do it with someone, versus alone. Let me give you an example. We decided to go to the Cheesecake Factory. Maui and I had planned on doing this together, so it was going to be 3 of us. Then, it ended up becoming 8 of us, and we had a great time. The 8 became an impromptu event, that we might not have been able to do, if we weren't running into each other in various locations.

That's not to say that NYC or Chicago won't make good vacations. But what I think it will become is a personal vacation with the con in the middle of it somewhere. I'm afraid it won't be as much of a group event that way. I think the only time we're going to get to spend with other people besides your own little clique would be at the con itself, and with 80 people roaming around, it might not be so fun due to the minimal amount of time spent with each person.


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