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View Poll Results: TC-Con'06 - Where should it be held?
Vegas, Baby - (Again) 61 41.50%
Orlando 20 13.61%
New Orleans 23 15.65%
Other (Please specify in a post) 26 17.69%
Land Convention/Cruise after combo 17 11.56%
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Old 06-16-2005, 06:03 PM   #121 (Print)
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Well, serumgard may or may not have been there, but that opinion is the same I would have had until the first time I was in Vegas. It's a hard place to describe.

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Old 06-16-2005, 06:06 PM   #122 (Print)
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No offense, but you're not understanding because you've not been there.

It's not all about the city/location. It is about the availability of people at any and all hours/times. Which, IMO, Vegas provides the best opportunity for.

I'm not dissin' Chicago or Diego or DC or New Orleans. That said - if it ain't broke, why are we tryin' to fix it?

I think you've finally hit on it. 'It's the availability of people at any and all hours/times' - and the ability to do almost anything at any time. There aren't a lot of places that are open all night like Vegas is. If you wanna sleep until 5 in the afternoon and party until 6 in the morning - Vegas is the place. If you wanna go to bed at 10:30 and have brunch at 8 - Vegas is still the place. If you're part of a couple and one of you wants to party all night while the other goes to bed early - Vegas is the place. There's something for everybody - even if you don't want to drink or gamble. Everybody knows that I couldn't drink this trip and I think I spent a grand total of 1 hour gambling - only because I had time to kill while the majority rode the rides at Star Trek.
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To me, the huge turnouts for some of the mini-meets make Vegas still the choice for the big meet.

It seems like L.A., Orlando, Miami, DC, Texas etc... are great places for locals and some non-locals to meet up, but wouldn't be great for a National meet.

To have a national 3-5 day meet in one of those cities seems very limiting. If you don't drink, it seems like the day is cut short. What are you going to do in Chicago at midnight with no problem finding your way back to your hotel.

The cruise is the only idea that makes sense besides Vegas, and the problems with that have been mentioned. But still, for every 1 thing a cruise has, like a casino, or a dance club, or a bar, or a restaraunt, Vegas has 10 within a mile.

Would I go to a meet in a city besides Vegas, i'm sure I would. Hopefully it would be a weekend to cut down on days off work, but nobody has wowed me so far with an idea of a place to do it that meets anywhere close to the offerings that Vegas gives you.

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Old 06-16-2005, 06:46 PM   #124 (Print)
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Ok, this is just too funny that you mention Pheasant Run, since that's where our Delorean Car show is!! So, as SueAnn says, to gather EXAMPLE INFO ONLY, I just called the guy who runs the car show (our shows are 600+ people plus 125+ cars), so he really knows how to run shows like this and large groups. I asked him about Pheasant Run for a group our size (I guessed 75 to 100 people), and he thinks PR is a great place for a group our size.

Here are some additional quick facts in no particular order:

- They have plenty of meeting rooms for groups our size
- Hotel rooms (for the car show) are $115, $119, $129, $139, and $149 per night depending on building, size, tower, etc.
- They can do full catering meals/dinners for something between $35-$45 per person
- Downtown Chicago is 20 minutes by train (very easy), 45 minutes by car
- He's pretty sure they are pretty open the week we would be looking at (certainly not the next week, since they are hosting both or Delorean show and the national Corvette show at the same time).
- Easy reach to O’Hare and Midway
- Here's a link to their website: http://www.pheasantrun.com/

Anyway, the Chicago weather issues aside, a place like this, I think would work well for the TC-Con. And I'm really not saying that for selfish reasons. Really.



VERY cool !!!!!!!! Don't you dare miss my house when you go out cruising in the Delorean!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I thought this summer was the last one in St. Charles.

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Old 06-16-2005, 06:52 PM   #125 (Print)
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VERY cool !!!!!!!! Don't you dare miss my house when you go out cruising in the Delorean!!!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S. I thought this summer was the last one in St. Charles.


I wonder if he got his Mr. Fusion installed in it yet...?

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Old 06-16-2005, 08:07 PM   #126 (Print)
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I'm cool with Vegas but I think alternating in some other options would work.

Something like this:

'06 New Orleans
'07 Vegas
'08 Orlando
'09 Vegas again...

I think a TC cruise is also a great idea but if we do that, I think we should go with a shorter cruise, 4-days max, like one of the Mexican cruises out of L.A. Keeping it short will keep it from being too much of a time commitment for some people and keep the cost down too. Carnival cruises are good for the kind of crowd we bring and not too expensive.
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Old 06-16-2005, 08:42 PM   #127 (Print)
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1. I'm an East Coaster, and my first preference is Vegas. But I like gambling, drinking, stuffing my face and the buffet, and stuffing bills into strippers G-String. Also, I'm single and have no family commitments, and I recognize that I am pretty unique in all the above requirements.

2. I do understand the East Coasters complaint. It is a schlep to go to Vegas. I almost want to have an East Coast meet, or an East Coast Cruise, just to see if anyone other than Fofer and Ed (and Mrs. Saxy) come from California.

3. What do people think about Miami? We can get a hotel right on Miami Beach. There is the beach, tons of bars and restaurants, and clubs, culture, shopping, etc. Note: I am not suggesting it b/c I live there. Suggesting places where you live is lame, and like Havana Brown, I want to go away on vacation, if I go. But I think that it would be a great East Coast destination. Sun, surf, sand, food, babes, beer, shopping, etc. And a better attraction for adults than Orlando.

But I think that the most important question is still how many people can we get to show up. And I don't think anywhere else will get a larger turnout than Vegas. We got 70 people two years in a row, with a 50% turnover this year of new people.

Thats pretty incredible.

As to DC, as someone who lived there for 10 years, I think it's a ehhh idea for a TC meet. But maybe I'm biased b/c I wanted to get out of there so badly, and have not much desire to go back.
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Old 06-16-2005, 08:46 PM   #128 (Print)
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I'm cool with Vegas but I think alternating in some other options would work.

Something like this:

'06 New Orleans
'07 Vegas
'08 Orlando
'09 Vegas again...

I think a TC cruise is also a great idea but if we do that, I think we should go with a shorter cruise, 4-days max, like one of the Mexican cruises out of L.A. Keeping it short will keep it from being too much of a time commitment for some people and keep the cost down too. Carnival cruises are good for the kind of crowd we bring and not too expensive.


But where would the ship leave from, would it leave from L.A., or would it leave from Orlando, or would it leave from Miami, or would it leave from Chicago, or New Orleans, or DC?

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Old 06-16-2005, 09:01 PM   #129 (Print)
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P.S. I thought this summer was the last one in St. Charles.


Last what in St. Charles? The Delorean group hasn't gathered in Chicago before (and isn't gathering this summer).

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Old 06-16-2005, 09:03 PM   #130 (Print)
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2. I do understand the East Coasters complaint. It is a schlep to go to Vegas. I almost want to have an East Coast meet, or an East Coast Cruise, just to see if anyone other than Fofer and Ed (and Mrs. Saxy) come from California.


The schlep is definitely a problem. And I think we need to start thinking about people from the East Coast for these things, and come up with a place to have it that's more convenient to the east coast.

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But I think that the most important question is still how many people can we get to show up. And I don't think anywhere else will get a larger turnout than Vegas. We got 70 people two years in a row, with a 50% turnover this year of new people.


Reread what you wrote the OTHER way, TB.

there were 70 people, 2 years in a row - with a 50% DROP in attendees

You only had half the people who went year 1 who made it year 2. And maybe in another locale, you'd pick up people who wouldn't go to Vegas, too.

Not to mention, look how hard a time it was getting people to confirm that they would actually go?

I know Skittles & Hippster were sweating this for a LONG time. And the fact that there would be no accomodations from the Vegas hotels for that tiny a group has to come in to play, too. There would be more accomodations and freebies from hotels in other cities, for even less attendees. No question about it.

I just think serious consideration has to be given to non-Vegas options. No offense, but this thread seems to have turned from 'where should we have it' to 'let's come up with reasons why we can't have it anywhere EXCEPT Vegas'.

Maybe we should have a 'non-Vegas options for TCCon' thread? Let's talk about every other option *but* Vegas and see what the consensus is, then put that up against Vegas for a vote?

Or maybe do 2 cons at the same time - one East Coast, one Vegas?

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Old 06-16-2005, 09:04 PM   #131 (Print)
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I think a TC cruise is also a great idea but if we do that, I think we should go with a shorter cruise, 4-days max, like one of the Mexican cruises out of L.A. Keeping it short will keep it from being too much of a time commitment for some people and keep the cost down too. Carnival cruises are good for the kind of crowd we bring and not too expensive.


Damn, I know there are logistical problems with an inflexible start/end date but a 4-day cruise just sounds like best idea to me right now. The way I understand it, a convention in Vegas is during the week because of the lesser costs. And the fact that it's during the week is why everyone ends up having to arrive/leave on different days.

But a cruise could be on a 4-day weekend, when most folks are off from work. The costs would be lower. No taxis. 24 hour party. We're guaranteed to have plenty of impromptu socializing time and lots of opportunity for fun group "events."

I also feel that a cruise would offer the same sort of 24/7 "peeps availability" that we loved so much in Vegas.

This has nothing to do with me being in L.A. either. I'd fly to any port. aintnosin's post just got my synapses going and I think a 4-day weekend cruise deserves some serious consideration.
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I just wanted to add something else - this IS a family-friendly and family-oriented board, and there are a LOT of families here & more than a few under-21's here. A place where families and our younger members can attend that isn't focused on drinking/gambling and other forms of debauchery should be given more than a cursory blow-off, IMO.

(And currently, the poll is 25 for Vegas, and 28 against)

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Old 06-16-2005, 09:50 PM   #133 (Print)
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Last what in St. Charles? The Delorean group hasn't gathered in Chicago before (and isn't gathering this summer).


Hank, PR is aboout 5 minutes from my house - I'll try to stop buy abd say hay,

BTW, train from st. charles is an hour to downtown chi-town.

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If a future event were on a cruise, I'd be thrilled because I could bring my family along with me more easily. One of the reasons that Barry couldn't come this trip was because he had to stay home with the kids, and it just doesn't make sense to bring the kids to Vegas, especially without having an option of supervised activites for children allowing both parents to enjoy the adult activities.
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I'm tempted to start a poll that would be multiple vote with these options:

Vegas
Cruise
DC
Chicago

Those seem to be the main options that have been bandied about today unless I missed one.

I would love to take a TC Cruise.

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Some of us aren't going to go far for a TivoCon unless it can be part of a family vacation. I would go to one by myself if it was close by, but anything requiring significant travel competes with the time and money we have for family vacations.

Vegas "ain't broke" for those of you who have gone and like it. That group of people can continue having Vegas meets, but realize that will really just end up with a Vegas/Tivo group, not a growing, inclusive representation of this Community.

I hope that people are willing to try something other than Vegas, just to see if we do see some folks that can't do Vegas.

BTW, the example I gave of using a ski-resort town off season was actually for a pretty small academic conference, with maybe 200 attendees, all interested in talking to each other. Not as chummy as a Tivo-Con of course, but lots of time spent with other people at the conference.

Another BTW: I actually think it would be alot of fun to have an event with families. We could spend time together with our families. It is possible to talk and get to know each other with families involved...

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(And currently, the poll is 25 for Vegas, and 28 against)



Well, just to be clear, it's 25 for Vegas and 28 for all of the alternate options (including "other") combined. That's a lot different than saying "25 for and 28 against."

We have to have it in a specific place, and in the end, whatever the majority decides is probably the best for the success of the event.

I'm waffling between a cruise and Vegas though. Both sound great to me.
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It's just too expensive for some, and the requirement that it happen during the week in Vegas excludes others. It's just reality.
Btw, does it really have to happen during the week? We almost didn't make it, because (given my status) I was afraid to ask for the time off, and the missed pay (I don't have paid time off) made it a lot more expensive to go. I'm sure we're not the only ones who would love to go and think it's totally worth it but have a hard time making it during the week. Is there any way it could be scheduled on a weekend?

My $.02, thanks.

Edit: I've Smeeked to some extent, but I now see this question has been raised somewhere in the discussion. Anyway, any thoughts?

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Folks, something to keep in mind: Uncle Dave puts on AVS cruises, so planning an unsanctioned cruise might be politically... tricky.

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I almost want to have an East Coast meet, or an East Coast Cruise, just to see if anyone other than Fofer and Ed (and Mrs. Saxy) come from California.

Ummm... thanks. I think.


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Folks, something to keep in mind: Uncle Dave puts on AVS cruises, so planning an unsanctioned cruise might be politically... tricky.



Indeed. I see details for an October 29, 2005 event here. It's a weeklong cruise starting in Port Canaveral , FL into the Caribbean.

Why don't we consider going on one of his cruises then, but have TC-specific events and personalized get-togethers planned? It's not like we'd have a whole cruise ship to ourselves if we planned it independently anyway. And this way none of us has to burden all the planning on our shoulders.
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Well, just to be clear, it's 25 for Vegas and 28 for all of the alternate options (including "other") combined. That's a lot different than saying "25 for and 28 against."

We have to have it in a specific place, and in the end, whatever the majority decides is probably the best for the success of the event.

I'm waffling between a cruise and Vegas though. Both sound great to me.




The 50% turnover doesn't seem to be relevant, mostly because the 50% who didn't go this year seemed genuinely sorry they couldn't make it. It can't be said that the 50% of the non-attendees would have gone if the Con was in a different place.

I think a family-friendly Con is a great idea, as long as it doesn't exclude adult-oriented activities. If the Con were at a theme park, I doubt I'd go...perhaps it's just me, but I don't get much out of a theme park, especially for a decent length vacation.

As for casinos being 75% of the reason people go to Vegas? Seems unlikely with this bunch. Lots of our group didn't gamble much.
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Indeed. I see details for an October 29, 2005 event here. It's a weeklong cruise starting in Port Canaveral , FL into the Caribbean.

Why don't we consider going on one of his cruises then, but have TC-specific events and personalized get-togethers planned?

I wouldn't be able to go on a cruise during the school year. Not only would I not be able to take the kids, it'd be just me again, and I wouldn't leave the family home if I were going on a cruise.
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I think a family-friendly Con is a great idea, as long as it doesn't exclude adult-oriented activities.

That's a very fine line to dance on.

At SoCaliente somebody (I don't remember who) brought their kid. It was awkward for a time as people were wanting to start the party but didn't feel comfortable doing so while a child was present. To the parent's credit, the kid wasn't there long and once he left the party got started in earnst.

My point being that unless I can be assured that no kids will be anywhere near The Party, I have no interest in going.

I don't need a vacation to get away from work. I need a vacation to get away from the 24/7 responsibilities of being a parent.
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Well, just to be clear, it's 25 for Vegas and 28 for all of the alternate options (including "other") combined. That's a lot different than saying "25 for and 28 against."

We have to have it in a specific place, and in the end, whatever the majority decides is probably the best for the success of the event.

I'm waffling between a cruise and Vegas though. Both sound great to me.

For the record, I voted for NO, just to be different, and that I had it as a preference over any other place (i.e. Orlando, DC, cruise). I'd still go if it were Vegas and prefer it over Orlando, DC, cruise. I don't see that 28 votes for other places are AGAINST Vegas.

Cruise is a good idea for running into people. I actually like that idea. However, I see the availability of people being able to come and go as they please a hindrance. Think of sschwart coming in for 36 hours. Rcrew making an overnight trip to surprise us all. A cruise prohibits people from being able to do that. We came in on Sunday morning and left Wednesday morning. Maui came in on Saturday. TL came late Sunday night and arrived home early this morning. In a cruise situation, NONE of these options are a possibility. My concern is that if we do a cruise, we're going to see a 50% drop in attendees, with very few additional people going.

as JoBeth mentioned that she sees the change in people going to the con as a vote against Vegas, I have to respectfully disagree with her. Not everyone is going to be able to go on a trip like this every year. Some people considered going last year, but decided not to, and only changed their minds for this year after seeing how much fun was had last year. Making this an annual trip is expensive for anyone, especially those with families. I don't see most people making it an annual event. If I had to go to the east coast every year, I wouldn't be able to do that, either, so I understand moving the con around. That's my reason for voting for NO. There are family friendly events there. However, anything that has drinking (which the Con has) keeps it from being a family event. If you want it to solely be a family event, I think picnics are more in order - smaller events allow for that sort of thing. Our forum is adult in nature, even with some teenagers posting. It's always been that way with double entendres - as far as Bott will allow. The con reflects that.

If the event were solely a family event, I think there will be a major drop in attendees, as those that can afford to travel by themselves or with partners, can't afford travel for a whole family across the nation. I look forward to the con as a respite from my troubles with my son. We all need a break from our families from time to time, to let our hair down. The con allows that.

That being said, NO can allow for younger participants to travel and see some neat things in the area. My only visit to NO was as a 16 year old and I had a great time. But if you expect the con to be a family event, alcohol should be banned from it, as some will never behave appropriately if it's there.

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Folks, something to keep in mind: Uncle Dave puts on AVS cruises, so planning an unsanctioned cruise might be politically... tricky.

Why should it even be an issue?

A TC Cruise would no more be competition for the AVS cruises than TC-Con or other get-togethers are competition for the HT meets over there. Somehow I don't see us pulling a lot of people from them. Two very different audiences.
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Why should it even be an issue?

A TC Cruise would no more be competition for the AVS cruises than TC-Con or other get-togethers are competition for the HT meets over there. Somehow I don't see us pulling a lot of people from them. Two very different audiences.

As asking the same people that might sponsor his cruises to sponsor the con could be a conflict of interest. We may not get the sponsors as it would be competing against the AVS cruises.

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Hmmm.... Just a thought but.... Hmmm.... Aren't there cruise ships that have entire decks that are designated "topless?"

Hmmm.... I could be convinced to go on a cruise.
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IIRC, we went with NYNY again because they were willing to deal with us in a much less scary way. In other words, remember those comments Skittles had about "scary papers to sign?" The papers from the other casinos were even scarier....
Inigo makes a VERY good point here, and one I want to re-emphasize.

With m/any of the hotels in Vegas, you have to sign a GUARANTEE of a certain number of room bookings, and then cover the costs of whatever your shortfall is. And Hippster and Faerie can both attest to this, since we spent a full 3 days with each of us calling just about every hotel along the strip to see what we could do about group bookings. NYNY was the only one with a group rate contract for hotel rooms that we could feel even REMOTELY comfortable about signing. The Flamingo, which was our original choice for hotel, wanted us to guarantee them 40 room bookings. Many of the other hotels wanted 50 rooms or more.

We booked 39 rooms at the NYNY for TC-Con this year.

So, if we go to Vegas for TC-Con '06, we don't HAVE to go to the NYNY again. It just means we decide, as a group, on the "main" hotel, and then have everyone make their own reservations. Considering we're a group of internet geeks that are notorious for our bargain hunting, I honestly can't imagine folks not finding a decent room rate, even at the last minute.

No big whoop.

While I'm going to refrain from posting my decision on next year's location until I have some time to process things, I want to post some comments.

- TC-Con really is a convention. It is NOT a meet, and it is not like any of the other gatherings that get planned. Part of what makes it work as an annual convention is proximity... to the restaurants, to the events, to the sights, and to each other. You can name a dozen other places that halfway fit into the model, but Vegas works as well as it does for a reason.

- Every place is a schlep for SOMEBODY. TC-Con is about getting the most folks there. Pissing off 50 people so you can please 25 others isn't beneficial to planning. As has been mentioned, TC-Con is about getting the MOST folks to attend. It's all about making sure the most amount of folks come. Since it's an annual event, and not a meet, you have to make sure the attendance is there. Whether that high attendance comes from a steady venue, or a rotation, is what needs to be looked at.

- TC-Con is 100% about the community. The "TiVo" is pretty much an afterthought. Piggybacking onto an AVS cruise is a bad, bad idea.

Vegas has a LOT of benefits. I'd respectfully disagree with folks saying that 75% of having the 'Con in Vegas is gambling. Heck, I spent very little of my time gambling this year, and I was there for 5 full days. So, for those of you that are anti-gambling, don't throw it out the window so quickly. Folks that don't drink, or gamble, will still have a good time in Vegas. They certainly did this year.

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