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Old 11-29-2005, 07:41 PM   #1 (Print)
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Theft of service??... If so here's my confession

so I yanked a unit out of someones trash... the outside looked good, why would someone throw this thing out I wondered? ended up being a bad power supply.. easy enuff fix... so thats when It hit the fan, I found out how much it cost per month to keep this thing to where it was functional... did some searching on the web and found some guys that could teach me how to take care of things myself. here's where the delima comes in... I never signed a contract, but, I know that the manufacture sells these things at a loss so they can make up the money in the long run when people use them.

OK I need some feedback... do I owe the manufacturer anything?, I own this thing outrught, if not for me, it would be in the landfill, there's no contract, and they didn't exactly pay me to repair it.. so if I tweek it everytime I need to, to keep it running right using third party stuff, am I breaking some law? Im sure they'd like to get a check every month or so but screw them right...

BTW it's a cannon bubble jet x2000 printer and the replacement oem cartriges are a fortune.
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Old 11-29-2005, 07:47 PM   #2 (Print)
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Your ummm Cannon Printer - if you pay the monthly service, i'm sure they would be happy to take your money, instead of taking another loss on hardware sale to you

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Old 11-29-2005, 07:48 PM   #3 (Print)
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if you are equating a trashed printer to stealing satellite service...
Hmm I was gonna say something but can't think of anything more rediculous than the OP.

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Old 11-29-2005, 07:53 PM   #4 (Print)
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if you are equating a trashed printer to stealing satellite service...
Hmm I was gonna say something but can't think of anything more rediculous than the OP.


what are you talking about?? I dont even have a satelite dish...


just wondered if it was ethically wrong to use a third party refill kit to top off my oem print heads..
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Old 11-29-2005, 07:54 PM   #5 (Print)
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you are clearly in the wrong forum then

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Old 11-29-2005, 07:58 PM   #6 (Print)
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you are clearly in the wrong forum then


my bad, I know its crazy but some people think the same way about tivos as I do my printer...

I mean why refill the thing yourself when you can just pay big bucks for someone to do it for you and not risk getting you hands dirty.
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:06 PM   #7 (Print)
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This is a strange thread.

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Old 11-29-2005, 08:08 PM   #8 (Print)
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Yeah I have no idea whats going on as well.

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Old 11-29-2005, 08:10 PM   #9 (Print)
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I am not believing much here. Glad to see someone else respond as I would have. Someone deleted their cookie, made up a new name and then posted that. Hmmmmmm. Yeah right, ink and copiers.
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:19 PM   #10 (Print)
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I'm a first time poster here, I was going to put this question on a Cannon Users web site... but then I thought it would get deleted because I'm discussing "circumventing" the need for their product by refilling the cartriges myself.. sounds crazy I know but over at the Cannon users site they have all the local lemmings brainwashed into thinking its immoral or illegal to modify their hardware they sold at a loss to work without their overpriced oem print heads.

Glad theres nothing like this crazy talk going on over here
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:21 PM   #11 (Print)
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Old 11-29-2005, 08:23 PM   #12 (Print)
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I think it's fine, there are infomercials about - do it yourself ink refills.

Go to town.

It's like replacing a hard drive in a tivo

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Old 11-29-2005, 09:33 PM   #13 (Print)
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:43 PM   #14 (Print)
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I don't buy Tivo selling at loss junk. The series 2 is the same piece of hardware it was 3 years ago. Plasma Tivo were 20K for 42 in 3 years ago. Now they are $1,500. Tivo buys there parts in bulk etc. They should be at least breaking even on that incredible slow box with that incredibly slow processor. I say go ahead and by your guide data from whoever you want to.
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Old 11-29-2005, 09:45 PM   #15 (Print)
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Hahahaha, yeah right! The cops were in my neighborhood just the other day rounding up all the folks who refilled their printer ink cartridges instead of buying new ones. I think cell phone companies are next, using oem batteries will be a misdemeanor at minimum...........argggghhhh, off to prison you go!

I think someone is having a great fishing expedition here, reeling in the trout.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:00 PM   #16 (Print)
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I don't buy Tivo selling at loss junk. The series 2 is the same piece of hardware it was 3 years ago. Plasma Tivo were 20K for 42 in 3 years ago. Now they are $1,500. Tivo buys there parts in bulk etc. They should be at least breaking even on that incredible slow box with that incredibly slow processor. I say go ahead and by your guide data from whoever you want to.



Uhm I think you missunderstood what the OP is doing.
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Old 11-29-2005, 10:08 PM   #17 (Print)
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The OP is tryin to equate INK cartridges with TIVO service.. Its an interesting argument in theory I suppose.

And a good way to possibly start a flame war. I mean good golly.. if he knows enough on how to feed a TIVO his own data.. he knows he ought not be posting about it here.

Nuff said.

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Old 11-29-2005, 11:22 PM   #18 (Print)
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How many pm's does he get out of this?

Please tell me how...lol

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Old 11-30-2005, 09:24 AM   #19 (Print)
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I say go ahead and by your guide data from whoever you want to.



Wow...you must have a truly sorry life to continue to troll this place.

Do what you want...I don't pay TiVo anything a month either. I pay DTV $5 for TiVo service. I have a Standalone that was basically a $400 purchase. Not bad for such a useful product!
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Old 11-30-2005, 09:28 AM   #20 (Print)
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How many pm's does he get out of this?

Please tell me how...lol

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As a Canadian who 'fed' my TIVO guide data on my own the last couple of years.. till service was finally available here in September; I can tell it you its' a royal pain in the butt.. and simply not as good as the data you get from TIVO Inc.

The minute service was available I ditched the 'feed it yourself' method for the real thing.

Now things like 'first run/repeat' recordings actually work.. the guide data is complete and accurate.. searches are reliable.. wish lists are reliable etc.

When you feed it on your own.. the basics work 'o-k' but.. nothing beats the real thing. I was never happier than when I found the TIVO service was finally available up here.

And no.. Don't PM me either.. cause, its the weirdest thing, I've already 'forgotten' how to do it.

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Old 11-30-2005, 12:47 PM   #21 (Print)
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However this brings up something I was wondering myself and is likely posted somewhere on here but I'll ask anyway.

What's to prevent another company from providing subscriptions for say half the cost of Tivo service?

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Old 11-30-2005, 12:54 PM   #22 (Print)
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Tivoapp.
oh and lawsuits I imagine.

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:08 PM   #23 (Print)
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But anything can be reprogrammed and as a consumer don't I have a choice?

And on what grounds would Tivo sue?

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:18 PM   #24 (Print)
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you broke TOS
by using another source for programming.

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:27 PM   #25 (Print)
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Call me crazy, but I think "Inkrefilloutlaw" is trying to make some sort of analogy.

Or maybe a joke?


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Old 11-30-2005, 01:31 PM   #26 (Print)
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For a printer, you made no ageeement to use OEM inks, it is nowhere implied anywhere you have to. Besides, the inks are consumables. An ongoing service is a different beast, IMO.

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:32 PM   #27 (Print)
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Ok, I hear that but what relevance is that once the warranty is up?

It's just a pc right? I can't do what I want with it? Not trying to be argumentative, really trying to understand how there can be limitations.

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:42 PM   #28 (Print)
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Terms of service have nothing to do with warranty.
When you bought the tivo you agreed to sub to the service.

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Old 11-30-2005, 01:45 PM   #29 (Print)
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No, when I bought the service I agreed to buy the service.

Again, not trying to argue, you're saying that because I purchased the Tivo box, I agreed to ONLY utilize the Tivo PC for Tivo service. I can't slap Win 2k server on it and serve up web pages?

Edited to add. I think I get it, the Tivo Software requires that it only be used with the Tivo service. That I can see. duh. I wasn't separating the hardware from the software.

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Old 11-30-2005, 02:08 PM   #30 (Print)
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This point seems to have been missed: there are two things you get for your subscription costs:
  1. Guide data
  2. A license to use the TiVo software
Most of the discussion here has focused on 1), and substituting another guide service might be analogous to the printer ink refill model.

The guide data doesn't do you any good without a software license. One possibility would be to junk the TiVo software and port Freevo/Myth etc to the box. That's difficult since there aren't publicly available drivers for much of the hardware. Further, there are hardware checks to prevent you from running alternative software. Another possibility is to "crack" the software to bypass license checks, and that's the thing that some/many/most people feel is illegal/unethical.

Just my 2 cents.
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